No CJ misses quite a few throws on out routes. Which is weird because sure it seemed like he was great at that. I just named those three because they were the biggest. I agree every QB misses throws. They are human so it’ll happy. Some of CJ misses are really like huh how’d he miss that? As far as the b****ing part, this probably first time I’ve come out and said this. Not like I’m one of the ones saying this every week. And since you’re talking about going back and looking at old post, look who’s been his biggest advocate.
No QB is perfect and I’m not expecting CJ to be. I’m also not saying CJ is horrible but I’m not going to act like he’s Top10 right now. I doubt you can argue that as well. His tape is not excellent, it’s good. If I’m not mistaken, he’s yet to put together a full game this season. He’ll have a really good first half and sketchy second half. Or vice versa. He’s hovering right around middle of the pack as far as QBs and the only reason that’s good is because we have one of the best defenses in 20 years. To reiterate, I don’t want CJ going anywhere. I think he’s our QB. He just needs to be better.
Saying this seems like you’re hating to some here. To me, this is just objectively fact. Literally nothing says he’s been a top 10 guy this season, including tape. He has had some amazing plays and then equally as bad plays.
Exactly. I literally bought my son CJs jersey last weekend for his 7th birthday that’s this Saturday. Oh but I’ll let Clutchfans tell me I hate him.
I certainly agree there is improvement that he can make. I personally feel our fan base is largely overly critical of him. There are people in here who think he’s bottom tier and it’s laughable.
https://www.theringer.com/2025/12/0...-patrick-mahomes-chiefs-baker-mayfield-bo-nix C.J. Stroud has quietly been really good over the past two months. Stroud’s season is heading in the opposite direction of Mayfield’s. Since Week 4, only five quarterbacks have ranked ahead of him in EPA per dropback: Drake Maye, Jordan Love, Matthew Stafford, Dak Prescott, and Josh Allen. So all of the league’s top MVP candidates. Stroud lags behind those guys in other efficiency metrics like success rate and yards per dropback, though. And a lot of his EPA production has come in high-leverage situations, which juices the potential EPA gains. Still, over the past two months, Stroud has trailed only Maye and Love in “passing down” EPA, per TruMedia. That tracks with what we saw out of Stroud in Sunday night’s win in Kansas City. He had some ugly moments in the second half but also came up with a handful of clutch third-down conversions that helped Houston pick up the biggest win of its season to date. Accuracy is still a long-term concern for Stroud, but he has shown growth in two key areas this season: (1) He’s creating more out of structure, which was a major factor in the Chiefs win, and (2) he’s starting to get more comfortable with his new pre-snap responsibilities in Nick Caley’s offense. The Texans offensive line still struggles with picking up blitzes and other pass rush games, but Stroud is finding answers quicker than ever before. It’s clear that he now has a better idea of where his protection is most vulnerable and what solutions he should turn to when things break down. His lone touchdown pass against Kansas City was just one example of that across the night.
Doesn't matter what the tape says. Dougie Mills is better because I want him to be. Already shown proof the haters in here will look at a Stroud pass. Call it horrific. Show another QB they like throw the same pass and blame gets put on the receiver. Comical.
He's 11th in QBR right now; ahead of Lamar, Baker, Herbert, Goff, Nix, Caleb... It's starting to feel like people have set unreasonably high expectations for Stroud. New, inexperienced play caller; new system; brutal opening schedule; missed 3.5 games. Around *all* that - none of which is in his control - he's been pretty good.
I'm not arguing he is/isn't. I think his 2025 season is a mulligan, unfortunately - too many things - beyond his control - went wrong. I'm anxious to see where he is at the end of the year with the hope he'll be firing and ready for a big 2026.
There's also a lot of glaze for Drake Maye - and not undeserved. But the same folks are lightening quick to point out Stroud's best games are against bad teams, forgetting Maye has played exactly one top 10 defense; meanwhile, he's faced seven defenses that, by DVOA< ranked in the 20s.
Stafford, Burrow, Allen, Mahomes, Lamar. After that where I believe Stroud sits. Love, Stroud, Goff, Maye, Daniels, Herbert, Prescott. Looking at supporting cast. Stafford- Pacua/Adams- Good Running Game- Elite OC Burrow- Higgins/Chase- Avg Running Game- Good OC Allen- Shakur/Kincaid- Elite Running Game- Good OC Mahomes- Rice/Kelce- Avg Running Game- Elite OC Lamar- Flowers/Andrews- Elite Running Game- Good OC Love- Dobbs/Kraft/Watson- Avg to below Running game- Elite OC Goff- St Brown/Jame Williams/Laporta- Elite Running Game- Good/Elite OC Prescott- Pickens/Lamb- Avg Running Game- Elite OC Daniels- Deebo/Mclaurin/Ertz- Elite Running Game- Good OC Maye- Diggs/Henry/Boutee- Below Avg Running Game- Elite OC Herbert- McConkey, Q Johnson, K Allen- Good Running Game- Mid OC Stroud- Collins/Higgins/ Schultz-Below Avg Running Game- Bad to Mid OC Anyone want to talk about the supporting cast or does that not matter? OC is the most important may I add. If you had to rank supporting casts! Where does Stroud Rank on this list(11 names)? Playcaller- 11th/12th pending how you feel about Greg Roman Supporting Cast(Running game/Skill position)- 10th-12th
There are literally people in this group claiming CJ is currently playing at a top 5 level QB. That’s just ridiculous. Maye by literally every metric is playing at a top3-5 QB. The variance isn’t there with him. He might fall off, but, he is on a complete different level in terms of athleticism so he provides more when the passing isn’t there. If you said CJ was 10-15 currently, I wouldn’t argue. I do expect better from the 2nd overall pick though
While I would quibble with some of your rankings (the Rams have an elite running game, for instance), I think the big takeaway is that, other than Derrick Maye, all of these QBs have multiple weapons at their disposal: elite coaching and/or run game and/or pass catchers. And Maye has an elite OC and an incredibly, almost comically easy schedule. Stroud has one elite weapon (Nico), some potential (Marks and Higgins) and.... This is why the Stroud dialogue frustrates me so much. If we're not filtering all of our opinions through the objective fact that the Texans have failed Stroud these first three years, then your opinion is, frankly, disingenuous. We can't keep hand-waving away that the Texans thought Cam Robinson, Lakeland Tomlison and Scruggs/Patterson were viable solutions to a gaping hole on the team. That replacing Diggs, Dell and Mixon with Higgins, Kirk and Chubb/Marks constituted any upgrade. That hiring a *second* inexperienced offensive coordinator was a prudent choice. If we're not starting this discussion *here* then there's genuinely no reason to hold the discussion at all.
Let's trade CJ and use the savings on other positions. Let's go with Mills for the remainder of this season and future seasons. We don't need CJ.
I don't believe that's true - you're welcome to point me to any post that claims CJ Stroud is a top 5 QB. Feels like something you made up.. Maye's schedule is comically inept. He has played exactly 2 (might be 3 - I broke this down in another post yesterday) above-average defenses (by DVOA). The majority of his games - 7/13 - have come against defenses ranked bottom twelve in DVOA, including 5 of the 7 lowest ranked defenses in the NFL. Maye is making all the throws and looks legitimate good. And Josh McDaniels is a terrific, innovative play caller. But it's going to be interesting to see how Maye fares in the playoffs against much better defenses attached to much better offenses.
No need to get that emotional. It’s weird how far some of you go to defend CJ, meanwhile blast every other position or blame everyone but CJ. It’s weird. No one is saying move on, people are saying factually that CJ has been average. We have to see if he is actually better than what he’s shown, or we’re going to be in the same boat as a lot of these other team that gave big bucks to middling QBs
