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[2023 NFL Draft/1-2] C.J. Stroud, QB, Ohio State

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by J.R., Apr 27, 2023.

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Do you like the selection of C.J. Stroud?

Poll closed Sep 11, 2023.
  1. YES

    84.4%
  2. NO

    15.6%
  1. havoc1

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    I really think Chris Jones was the difference in this game. The blitzing was obviously affecting the offense, but that combined with Jones doing his best prime JJ Watt impersonation made it basically impossible for us to do anything for a while. As a cross sport comparison, it felt like when the prime Warriors would turn it on all of a sudden and Steph would just start hitting everything. You just try to weather the storm and then hopefully make enough plays to win towards the end, and that’s what the Texans did on Sunday.

    But obviously it would be nice to have a better plan if other teams start to send blitzes all game, although I think the Texans handled the blitz extremely well against the colts the week before, so maybe it was just the perfect storm of a quarter on Sunday, for the Chiefs.
     
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  2. Bobbythegreat

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    Yeah, he's not really a game manager, managing the game is pretty much what he does the worst.

    Right now he's a high variance player, he can occasionally make amazing things happen in broken plays but then he struggles to do the most basic stuff.

    His rookie season, he looked like a future superstar and he's gotten worse every season since then. He just needs to be more consistently competent both with making accurate throws and the mental side of the game. If he can do that, he'll return to being a star on the rise. If he can't, he'll wash out.

    The Texans need him to be that star on the rise, so let's hope that a million excuses will soon no longer be needed for him.
     
  3. cmoak1982

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    Expecting CJ to play off structure with any type of consistency is a fools errand.
    He’s not an athlete, he has never done well playing off structure with any sort of of high level consistency or ability. This goes back to college.
    He can make some plays occasionally throwing on the run, but it’s the exception rather than the rule.
    He needs to get back to managing the pocket better, getting his base more consistent and making quicker reads-which leads to more accurate throws. What he was doing his rookie season.
    Caley is doing him zero favors with the play calls.
     
  4. K9Texan

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    How would Sam Darnold operate in our offense? Would he be struggling too or would he be putting up stellar numbers with 3 guys in his face and no open receivers? Some of y'all want a miracle worker, not a quarterback.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    Good QB's can typically do things to slow the pass rush of non-elite defenses. One thing is certain though, the people making excuses for CJ Stroud would absolutely not be making those excuses for Sam Darnold.
     
  6. K9Texan

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    Our IOL was eaten alive. You blame CJ? Lol.
     
  7. zeeshan2

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    I would love to see Stroud paried up with Kubiak and KOC as his OCs
     
  8. cmoak1982

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    He was sacked as much as CJ last season and performed much better.
    Don’t think Darnold is the one to try to compare to
     
  9. Bobbythegreat

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    I blame him for missing wide open receivers and I blame him for not seeing the blitz coming and changing the play to something quick or having a viable hot read to make them pay for sending extra defenders.

    Those are 100% on him.

    Sorry, I just don't feel the need to make excuses for poor performance.
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    It would be interesting to see, I think CJ would do well with some aspects of the Kubiak west coast system, but I think the complaints would be about the over reliance on the run if we did that.
     
  11. cmoak1982

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    Stroud would do great in a Kubiak system. A stronger armed Schaub.
    The run game would help so much with the offense
     
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  12. Bobbythegreat

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    You'd have to completely change the O line though, they currently use more of a man/power scheme than a zone blocking scheme and the guys they have are not suited to a zone scheme at all....which has been some of the problem because the system they use sometimes implements some zone.

    For zone schemes, you need smaller, quicker, super smart linemen.....which of our linemen would that apply to?
     
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  13. K9Texan

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    Ok, so let's dump Stroud and start over.
     
  14. cmoak1982

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    This isn’t the draft to do that
     
  15. cmoak1982

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    Ersery and Ingram could play in a zone scheme I think
     
  16. Bobbythegreat

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    We'll get there if he doesn't improve. Right now he has this season and one more on a rookie contract, if he doesn't take a step by then, that's when the hard choices start to be made.
     
  17. Bobbythegreat

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    Ersery is a MASSIVE guy, MUCH better suited for power blocking than zone, but he might be good enough to get away with it.

    Ed Ingram failed in Minnesota due to their zone scheme, he's doing better here due to moving away from zone blocking.
     
  18. K9Texan

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    No blitz, just KC's DL destroying our line.
     
  19. cmoak1982

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    They both have the mobility to be effective.
    Not always about size in that scheme. Mobility is more important imo
     
  20. K9Texan

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    Let's trade him to Indy. Maybe we can get a 7th for him.
     

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