There’s definitely an argument. He isn’t better than Goff or Hurts-at all. Like not even close. The others I could see
If you look only at stats and ignore all context (those 2 playing on basically superteams, and goff as soon as he's on just a very good team is crap) i can definitely see how you could say he's not better then those 2, as silly as it is.
Objectively he’s just not better. There is nothing that backs that up. Goff is a realistic upside comp for Stroud. Hurts doesn’t have the arm strength CJ has but is a much better athlete. If you ask who I would take, it’s CJ due to age. But he isn’t remotely better than either of those two. Also, we’re comparing CJs potential contract to some of the worst contracts in the league. What’s that say?
It’s just the going rate for qbs. Either trade him or pay him, I would pay him in a heartbeat. Hurts better than stroud is wild to say though, hard to believe someone not related to hurts would actually think that, and i think usually you’re pretty reasonable so it’s weird to see.
I think production matters. It’s very easy to say they have super teams around them. So did the Vikings and they haven’t performed. CJ has regressed from his rookie year, but he’s still shown flashes of that accuracy and anticipation that can make him an upper tier QB. Unfortunately there just isn’t much else to his game if those two attributes are inconsistent, being an average athlete.
I don’t think hurts is horrendous, he’s an ok starter. Solidly average, but nothing close to stroud. He will never come close to rookie stroud or even stroud now, and that’s despite having the best roster possible. You can’t just pretend the other players don’t matter.
I think where football differs from basketball is in basketball if you're a star, your stats won't change much regardless if you're on a good or bad team. What will change is your wins. Jokic on the wizards puts up 30/12/11 and wins 40 games, Jokic on the rockets in place of sengun still puts up 30/12/11 but wins 70 games. Football if you're on a terrible team your stats get crushed (look at mahomes these days).
Jalen is a winner tho and a leader imo. Not a great distributor of the rock to be sure, but give the guy a break…
Dude won a CFB Championship and a Super Bowl (MVP), what can we really say otherwise? The Pride of Channelview, Texas
I just had this flash of amusement about using Stingley on offense because of his ball skills and he was lining up with his back to the line of scrimmage and back-peddling his routes.
I've said this before, but there have been many plays where it quite literally looks like Stingley is running the WR's route and beats him to the ball.
Yeah. Have you been to a game and watched Stingley? One of the things that can't be seen on TV is how often (it seems) he tries to bait the QB into throwing the ball to who he's covering. I've never seen a CB line up the way he does in single coverage.
Nah, I've never seen him live in the NFL I believe that the espn guys, on their recent "100+ best skills in the NFL" list, said he's the best at "backfield vision", ie watching the QB and anticipating where he's throwing
