United Healthcare CEO murdered in NYC midtown

The #1 strategic priority for the US med term is to get a tech-forward, pragmatic centrist govvernment back in power ASAP, that takes active steps to improve the lives of the middle class and shows some ability to move the debt in a better direction

 

I don't think assassinations are okay either.

I can say I am not surprised that a healthcare CEO or even Charlie Kirk was assassinated- but that doesn't mean that I support them harming them or killing them.

I just think that the American people - especially those 40 and under, are desensitized and there is a lot of animosity towards those that are ultra wealthy and have made their lives more difficult (corporations and politicians).

I also don't think we have seen the worst of it yet - there is a LOT of political and social volatility in the West and especially the USA now.

 

No. But I don't see killing one man with gun as more heinous than killing millions with a pen

It kind of goes back to the. . . .Would you kill Baby Hitler?
Would you do it if there was a 20% chance he would not grow up to be who he was?

Rocket River

 

No one condones killing, however, what can people do when billionaires have control over the government and the court system, how does a people gain back their country without violence?

It has never happened, and unlikely to happen - it almost always requires a revolution of some sort where blood is spilled - people are angry, many are starving and our government which is supposed to protect the populace is instead enriching itself and killing people with their policies.

Even in the rise of labor unions there was bloodshed......I don't see that changing, I think it gets worse and more people are killed.....

Not happy about that, but if history is any indicator it is coming and faster than we think.

DD

 

stopped reading at "however"

 

Whenever you read. "No one condones killing but/however"

You know the poster is about to excuse, justify and/or condone the killing.

 

lmao Exactly.

I don't support killing but let me write at length how I am sympathetic to the killing and generally expressing a sentiment of approval.

 

No justification, just a step back and look at history scenario - it is bound to happen when we have the same conditions as "Let them eat cake"...

It is an academic discussion, no one should be surprised that killings will happen, people are mad and we are an armed country.....

It is not surprising to me that it is happening and I predict it will get much worse.

Nor is it surprising that the depth of some of the posters on the right is so shallow in thinking that they can't understand an academic discussion, without inserting their feelings.....and extrapolating (look it up) out to their worst fear.

Because you are not all that bright....learn to critically think and you can join the adults in a discussion.

DD

 

so, if a CEO made 101% of his employee's salary, you would support killing him?

 

I wasn't a fan of cancel culture but it is way better than assassination culture.

 

Tell that to all the kids being killed in school, or the lawmakers assassinated in Minny, or Charlie Kirk at a debate, we are here - why don't we take a step back and understand where we go from here to get a better society for all?

Because this direction seems to lead to more killing, IMHO.

Our country is out of wack, we are in unchecked capitalism, where we go from here is important, can we step back to more democracy as we did after the gilded age? Or do we continue to facism and even more kiling?

It will be interesting to say the least.

DD

 

Well now you have both.

 

I still think if Luigi gets a jury trial he walks - or at least gets a hung jury - this country is at a boiling point and the mega rich are causing culture wars to take advantage and profit, which only flames things.

Here are some things we should do immediately to pull back from it all.

1. Citizens United must go - no more big money in politics
2. Lobbying is outlawed - no more money in lobbying
3. Return tax levels on corporations and the rich to reasonable levels
4. Fine news organizations that lie - if you call yourself News you tell facts only
5. Make social media algorithms participation voluntary
6. Make social media platforms responsible for truth
7. Increase Minimum wage to $20

Just to start.

DD

 

Taxing him . . . yes

Rocket River

 

I feel like when you add the "however", you are in fact condoning the killing.

Like it's not justified, however, I can understand.

 

Yeah, I am saying that....clearly it isn't justified, clearly it is a problem, but I understand why it is happening.

1. We are an over armed society - easy gun access
2. People are desperate - and do desperate things
3. Our own government is stoking a culture war to rile people up - see numbers 1 and 2.

I mean, kids are being killed in school and we can't get reasonable gun controls in place because the NRA is paying off politicians......our politicians care more about lining their own pockets than protecting children in schools, or hell even those raped by sex traffickers like Epstein.

Until we get our politicians to be about proper government and not about enriching themselves we are ****ED as a country.....and more gun deaths and violence will happen, even as we all hate that......SOME of us have been voting against it forever, but the GOP keeps lining their pockets.

If you vote against gun controls all these deaths sit squarely on you, those kids killed don't need your FAKE sympathies....if you cared you would vote for gun controls.

DD

 

Could Luigi Walk???
Luigi Mangione fights to bar evidence from state murder trial

Defense wants to bar the gun and notebook from his trial
After getting state terrorism charges thrown out in September, Mangione’s lawyers are zeroing in on what they say was unconstitutional police conduct that threatens his right to a fair trial.

They contend that the Manhattan district attorney’s office should be prevented from showing the gun, notebook and other items to jurors because police didn’t have a warrant to search the backpack.

They also want to suppress some of Mangione’s statements to police, such as when he allegedly gave his name as Mark Rosario, because officers started asking questions before telling him he had a right to remain silent. Prosecutors say Mangione gave the same name when he checked into a Manhattan hostel days before the killing.


- Eliminating the gun and notebook would be critical wins for Mangione’s defense and a major setback for prosecutors, depriving them a possible murder weapon and evidence they say points to motive. Prosecutors have quoted extensively from Mangione’s writings in court filings, including his praise for the late Theodore Kaczynski, the convicted murderer known as the “Unabomber.”

Among other things, prosecutors say, Mangione mused in his diary about rebelling against “the deadly, greed fueled health insurance cartel” and wrote that killing an industry executive “conveys a greedy b*stard that had it coming.”

An officer searching the backpack found with Mangione was heard in body camera footage saying she was checking to make sure there “wasn’t a bomb” in the bag.

His lawyers argue that was an excuse “designed to cover up an illegal warrantless search of the backpack.”

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Federal prosecutors, fighting the defense’s push to exclude the gun, notebook and other evidence from their case, have said in court filings that police were justified in searching the backpack to make sure there were no dangerous items, and that his statements to officers were voluntary and were made before he was under arrest.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/luigi-mangione-fights-to-bar-evidence-from-state-murder-trial

INTERESTING.


Rocket River

 

You can search containers accessible to the defendant at the time of their arrest under the doctrine of search incident to arrest. That includes the entire passenger compartment of your car, if you are arrested from your car, as well as your pockets and any bags you are carrying. You don't need a warrant to do this. It would also fall under the doctrine of inevitable discovery, because whatever you have with you when you are arrested would go to the jail with you and they would inventory any containers so that you don't have your money or credit cards mysteriously disappear. People file all sorts of motions in criminal cases, and many of them are desperation heaves from 3/4 court. I would be shocked if the gun or notebook were excluded.

 

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