This is not a shot at FVV at all. He has been a pro, he helped stabilize the team since he got here and was a huge part of us getting out of the basement. But with how things are unfolding, it might be time to talk about whether exploring trades is actually the responsible thing to do. The entire conversation starts with Reed. Nobody expected this level of development this fast. Reed is the future starting PG of the franchise and there’s no going back. Even when Fred gets back, there is no starting job available based on Reed’s play. This is a good problem to have, but it creates a real roster decision. Everything about Fred’s deal was built around flexibility. He has a team friendly contract, he is still a positive player, and he fits on basically every contender. The Rockets are winning, the window with KD is open right now, and we only get a finite number of swings at this. If there is a spot where we can flip Fred for a piece that upgrades the roster this year, we might not have the luxury of sitting still. The irony is we all thought the potential Fred trade scenarios would pop up because Reed did not develop. Instead, it is the opposite. Reed has developed so well that we may be looking at this from a position of strength, not desperation. Add in the fact that Aaron Holiday has turned into a legit value add backup PG, and the need for Fred minutes in the guard rotation is even lower. This is not about pushing Fred out. This is about looking at the roster honestly and accepting that our long term PG is already here, our backup PG spot is stable, and FVV’s trade asset might be what pushes us over the top. Given where the Rockets are and how tight the KD window is, it might be time to at least explore what Fred could bring back.
I’m pretty sure the no-trade clause only applies if he doesn’t opt into his PO, there’s some conditional on it rather than just an outright no-trade clause
I voted no, but on the caveat he won’t make a big fuss about backing up Reed next season and playing 25ish minutes a night. Aaron and Reed play well together, there’s no reason to think Reed and Fred won’t.
I absolutely think we need to trade him. I actually think he will be flexible with a trade as long as it’s to a relatively decent place. He is still going to want to play and maybe even start. Maybe he will want to go somewhere similar to what he found with us a couple years ago where he can help to bind a group of players together. I am all about having him next year as a sixth man, but I just view the 3 to 4 years that we have Durant is very precious and I don’t know if I want to have 25 million sitting in street clothes this year. For Fred he should look at it like he got paid a pretty good deal and unfortunately didn’t have to do very much this year but rehab. for me it becomes more difficult projecting what player we should pick up and what our greatest need is. Probably a PG but some sort of small/power forward that could create a little bit for themselves and others would not hurt.
I don’t see a scenario where we could get much for Fred without adding considerable assets along with Fred. I think it would be hard to find a buyer.
From the moment he tore that ACL, FVV had played his last game as a Rocket. That's even more true now. We're serious contenders for the Title this year...with KD only having a few years. Fred's gotten paid a shietload of money for his time here. I'm of the opinion that he'll opt in when the time comes. We've done him right, and his bird rights aren't worth anything, as he'll never see that kind of dough again. We can't have that dead capspace.
Trading away Fred is going against what Stone and Ime is trying to build for the team. One of the reason why KD chose Rockets as destination is how they value their players and being loyal to them. We gave JG4 ample opportunities and contract before trading him away and gave chances and contract to Dillion when every team shut him down. We waited Adam’s recovery period and doing same thing to DFS. There’s a reason why Sengun, KD, Adam, and Fred were willing to take pay cut to stay with rockets and trading away Fred will took all the good deed they’re building
He has a full 100% no trade clause this season. He CANNOT, under any circumstance, be traded without his consent.
No we should NOT trade Fred. We are going to need his experience in the playoffs (assuming he'll return by then).
I honestly believe much of Reed’s development can be attributed to FVV. Fred has had ample time to work with him during his recovery.
Not every players are in the loop of this deal, I’m thinking KD, Sengun, FVV, Adam, Bari, Jeff, Aaron, Tate are players that probably stick with Ime all the way and shown willing to stay. Amen and Reed have high probability to take less money to keep stronger roster too and will join that untouchable group if they willing to sacrifice like $5 mil per year. The way how OKC and SAS are forming their group it’s gonna be long battle and whom ever can control cap space will win the war in the end. Honestly I’m not sure anyone can take down OKC this year even if we trade away Fred.
From a basketball perspective yes. From a culture standpoint no. Not sure you can find a better backup for Reed in the league. If FVV doesnt want to back up Reed next year then yeah. Trade him.
TBD. We should see how we do in the playoffs as I think CF underestimates what FVV brings. Last season FVV was over tasked with playmaker and scoring because the young core was not ready. He's 15% of the cap next season so it's not like a big hit. However, we might be in a position where we can move on.
Love what FVV brings to the team if he was healthy. I think Reed will be cemented as the starter when FVV is healthy. The FVV Jalen Green Amen lineups did not work defensively last season such that I'm not sure the FVV Reed Amen lineups would work. I think FVV would be fine with being a backup if he was still getting 25 mpg+, but the Rockets would need the FVV Reed Amen lineups to work for that to happen. I think the Rockets would have to find a place FVV wants to go (good team, plenty of minutes for him), such that FVV is willing to agree to a trade. I think the Rockets should consider it, but it would most likely need to be a three-team trade. Most likely, if he is traded, it will be in the offseason. Regarding loyalty, if Reed keeps playing like he is playing, I think the Rockets and FVV both will be for a trade.
No. He's out for the year anyways, and coming into next season I think the team should first see what they have with FVV fitting into a role in this next phase of his career. Nobody is going to trade for him anyways without first seeing him prove that he's healthy and still capable of doing the things he used to do. Bring this thread back next December, and we'll evaluate then.
I assume FVV would be traded with picks such that the picks would be doing the heavy lifting as far as trade value goes.
