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[WSJ] It’s the NBA’s Most Devastating Play—and It Starts With a Missed Shot

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Os Trigonum, Nov 18, 2025 at 1:08 PM.

  1. Tuckmose

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    Those were called "Kobe Assists™" back in the day.
     
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    Idgaf what the stat sheet shows... Adams brings the intensity that gives this team life!
     
  3. The Hunted

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    They can get it.
     
  4. Dr of Dunk

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    That's actually a formula for estimated possessions, not pace, but since possessions is part of the pace calculation, it can get the point across.
     
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    • #1 offensive rebounding team in the league, which is 5% better than the 2nd place Knicks and 10% better than league average.
    • 40.8% offensive rebounds of all missed shots, which is 5% better than last year's team.
    • Highest % of offensive rebounds since the data started to be tracked in 1996-97.
    I believe when Alp and Adams share the floor the OREB % is quite a bit higher than the aforementioned 40.8%. A guest on the KOC pod called it "Caveman basketball," which is pretty spot on.
     
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    This is the kind of progressive strategy that puts franchises at the forefront of the NBA race. The Rockets are ahead of the league in such a simple concept - getting more possessions. Caveman basketball clubs teams into submission. I have the ball and you don't = increased opportunities to score. Kudos to Stone!
     
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    Steven Adams is the new Shane Battier
     
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    The Rockets are an outlier team. Usually your FG% or 3p% corelate to your ORtg. But the Rockets have low FG% but high ORtg mainly because of their out of the world OReb%. The interesting thing is, their offensive rebounding and their low FG% are somewhat linked.

    Quite a few of the missed shots were after the offensive rebound and attempts to put back in heavy traffic under the basket. If Adams tries to tip in a miss and fails then grabs the ball again, puts up a layup and misses but tips back in. That's 3 offensive rebounds and .33 FG%, but a +2 ORtg.
     
  9. Dobbizzle

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    Well let's not forget that our progression of players did go Westbrook - Wall - Jalen Green. I'd assume offensive rebounding was a premium too. And probably making nice with the local bricklayer's union.
     
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    Bob Sura has an onlyfans? New floor
     
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    Those were the dark times, placing our future on those brick laying guards.
     
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    NGL, because they wore those blue Clippers looking jerseys I'm erasing the entire time John Wall was on the Rockets from my fandom. If Beard comes back some time and redeems himself with another chip then I'll erase his last season and the fat suit months as a sign of forgiveness.
     
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    OK thanks. That's explains why we are top in ORtg... I thought an Off Reb is a new possession, at least thats what coaches say "We get more possessions by crashing the boards...”

    So again, the nerds do it differently...
     
  14. Dr of Dunk

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    Offensive Rating is something different. It's just a "points per possession" stat, but it's also a bit of an efficiency stat. If your possessions go down (or are lower), its value goes up a bit, but only if you're scoring a lot of points in those possessions, which could be a plus as it can be seen as a sign of efficiency.

    When coaches talk "pace" they generally mean "get out and run" or "push the pace" as in "don't drag your feet bringing the ball up court - get the rebound and run or make outlet passes so the defense has problems setting up". They're not talking about the statistical measurement of "pace" which generally translates to "possessions per 48 minutes", and can be flawed in its use unless you dig into why a team's statistical pace is fast or slow. The same is true with a lot of basketball talk. Most people, when they say "an offensive rebound is another possession", you get what they mean, but in statistical terms, there was no possession change, so it's not another possession, it's the same possession - extended. This is also why the value of "pace" in terms of stats is different on different websites. For example, unless something's changed recently, NBA.com's value for pace will differ from basketball-reference's value because the value of "possessions" is arrived at or estimated differently by each site.

    A nerdy way to think about this is that if you ask a random non-nerdy passenger what the velocity of a vehicle is, they'll probably look at the speedometer and say "45 mph". If you ask a physicist, they'd look at the speedometer and then ask "what direction are we going?" To the average person velocity and speed are the same thing. To the physicist they aren't. lol.

    Also, one of the biggest issues of the stat pace is that it doesn't separate offensive and defensive pace, so it's just one big number that tries to describe something on one side of the ball. I've seen people/sites out there break down pace into offensive and defensive pace to try to get a better understanding of how fast the offense is actually moving. There were one or two sites out there that did this back when I looked into this a while back.

    Ime's mentioned in the past he wants to be fast-paced, so I'd love to hear someone ask him what he thinks of the team's pace, if he's happy with it, and how he thinks it can be improved if he's not happy with it.
     
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