Why is Trump covering up the Epstein files while protecting pedophiles?

There is a clinical definition that is used by psychologists/psychiatrists. However, there is also a general definition used it wider society and that is more expansive - anyone that has sex with a minor is a pedophile.

It is much like the word "psychopath" and "sociopath" and ASPD. There are definite differences, but not so much in general lay conversation.

There has been a push by sexual abuse and rape survivor groups to not emphasize the difference because there are people that have and will excuse an adult having sexual relations with someone that is under 18 years old. That is why you don't see a lot of people pointing out differences.

Okay, but where do you draw the line?

Some of the victims with Epstein were 11, 12 years old. Others were 14-15 years old.

Is someone that rapes a 14-year-old clearly disturbed? What about 15? Does it magically change if they are 16?

There are a lot of issues with criminal codes when it comes to sex crimes - and there are logical reasons for most of them, but not all of them.

What about a man that is attracted to 13–14-year-olds?

Again - where do you draw the line.

I also don't know that a man that sex traffics 13–17-year-old children is any better than a man that molests a 5- or 9-year-old when you look at the actual victim impact. We can say "well at 16 she looks more like an adult", but she isn't an adult and the damage in some cases is more severe - especially when you consider the trafficking element.

I am sure you will have someone blast what you are saying, but I think these are conversations we need to have as people without having someone immediately tell you or me that we are disgusting.

 

Men are jerking off to p*rn all day long who never consider the age of the girl nor do they care. As long as she has at least a B cup and a nice ass, its fair game. Its the sites responsibility to card.

 

This is a distinction that has largely been lost in modern society, at least in the USA. In my time in Europe, I noticed that at least some people still can have conversations about two things being distinctly different and both wrong.

The only point I would possible argue with you about is if you believe one is more destructive - I don't have enough research on toddler and young children that have been abused. I do know quite a bit about those that are 12-16 and have been trafficked and abused, and the impact in colossal. Often times the amount of mental abuse and manipulation is as bad or worse than the physical abuse. I have had a number of cases where a girl that is 12-15 has been abused, and the level of damage done to them cuts across their entire lives, many of them cannot operate as normal people without top level psychiatric work.

 

When someone is accusing someone of being a pedophile and expect legal action, we use the clinical definition, not the definition used to dehumanize someone we do not like. According to your definition, we should be executing every 19 year old who has sex with a 16 year old.

you really should study the psychology behind this topic instead of using social media to tell you how to view the subject.

Nobody here is saying its ok for men to prey on a 15 year old for sexual gratification. Its just that there is a world of a difference.

I also find it so fascinating how so many people dismiss science to justify why they are correct.

 

You really think people are jerking off to CP?

You are sick. You should be on an FBI list somewhere.

 

You're conflating two different discussions. Anyone who has been subjected to human trafficking, regardless of reason, will have significant psychical issues.

It is very common for a 14-17 year olds to have sex with college guys. If they get caught, they can get slapped with a sex crime and be required to register as a sex offender, thus ruining a guys life.

Its absurd to be flippant about this topic

 

Lets reconstruct your sentence, shall we?

I should be crucified because I think there are people out there jerking off to CP?

In other words, you are stating child abuse doesn't exist?

Or do you just not think before you post?

 

This is another issue though.

There are men looking at incest p*rn - teacher/student p*rn ...... lots of stuff that is disgusting.

 

No, the typical man is not jerking off to CP.

Try typing CP in Google and see what happens. You'll get the FBI showing up at your door.

You Magats are doing whatever you can to make Trump being implicated in the Epstein files as "okay." 15 year olds are not "that young." "Men jerk off to barely legal 18-19 year olds anyways.

This is how ridiculous you all sound. Even pedophilia is something you'll overlook for Trump because he's "your guy." Pathetic lol

 

I'm not being flippant about it - he specifically cited trafficking in the case of teenage girls.

A college guy having sex with a 14-year-old girl is serious problem.

If you want to change the distinction to be more specific (charged with sex with victim 16), I am fine with that.

However I think that a college kid having sex with a middle schooler or freshman in high school is pretty heinous.

 

The projection is strong in this one.

I seriously hope in the future you will look back at your comments in this thread and say to yourself ... wow, that was ****ed up on my part.

 

No, the common person doesn't use the clinical definition. The common person says the accused was a pedophile.

I never said anything about executing anyone, so you put that back with your other strawmen.

I am quite familiar with the issue because I have had a number of cases where a minor girl has been raped by an of age man. I have had to retain and work with many experts on the topic and the psychologists and psychiatrists and counselors.

I am not so sure.

The level of manipulation, gas lighting involved in a man getting a 15-year-old girl to have sex with him is very abusive. You are really understimating it.

Also, in the case Yank was discussing, he said trafficked girls, and that brings it again to another level.

The impact is amazing.

You are funny - you are dismissing the science when it comes to victim and societal impact.

 

the fact that right-wing media figures like megyn kelly are now trying to say its not a big deal to prey of 15 year olds tells me that they know something we dont regarding whats in the epstein files. they are trying to set the table for some very damning info coming out.

and the fact that we now have posters in this thread trying to parse what it or isnt pedophilia and whether or not its ok for grown men to prey on teenage girls tells us everything we need to know about how easy it is to manipulate them.

there is even a poster here now trying to claim that trump and epstein were not even ever friends.

its a cult.

 

so embarrassing being a MAGAt these days

this week they have to defend or excuse away pedophilia and child sex trafficking

some of the rats are now starting to jump ship…MTG is already on her lifeboat paddling back to sanity while the vast majority of MAGAts are headed right towards the giant iceberg

watch, 10 years from now all these low IQ mindless drones will be pretending they were never MAGA just like how people pretend they were never in favor of or spent years defending the Iraq war

if you were to say today that the Iraq war was a good thing, you’d get laughed out the room…if you said that as a politician, you’d be unelectable…that will be MAGA soon

 

they have no morals and are knee deep in the cult

not even surprised at the things Megyn R Kelly is spewing

 

Donnica Lewinsky

 

We've now reached a point where discussions dissect the "science" and psychology of adults who prey on children at different ages - 5 vs 10 vs 14. These conversations emphasize the differences between these cases, focusing on distinctions that matter to the perpetrator: different psychological profiles, different motivations, different clinical classifications.

But here's what this approach ignores: there is no such difference for the victim.

If I didn't know better, I'd say we're (or they're) using "science" and psychology to justify that one form of predation is somehow more acceptable or understandable than another. And when we frame the conversation around what differentiates these acts for the adult, we've completely dismissed the victim.

To the victim, being preyed upon at 5, 10, or 14 is equally horrible and evil. The trauma doesn't care about the perpetrator's psychological category. The harm doesn't diminish because we can clinical terms to describe it differently.

When we center the perpetrator's psychology over the victim's reality, we're not being more scientific or nuanced - we're just shifting focus away from the only perspective that actually matters: the devastating impact on the child.

Bad people justify evil deeds.

 

None of the parsing of the term in question changes the fact that the president appears to have engaged in the term in question.