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Mass Incarceration

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocket River, Nov 10, 2025.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I was in county jail with a kid being charged with felony murder because like an example in this video his friend was shot and killed by a cop when they were robbing a home.

    I was in there for some traffic warrants
     
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  2. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Felony murder isn't a scheme to lock a bunch of people up.

    @Rocket River

    We don't look up people for corporations. The money is eventually paid by taxes. Nobody wants to spend tax dollars on criminals.

    Politicians do better decreasing crime. It's illogical to argue otherwise
     
  3. Rocket River

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    What percent of those percentages are Plea Bargains?
    Simply taking a plea because you cannot afford to defend yourself

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  4. StupidMoniker

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    Yes and no. You cannot choose to charge or not to charge people because they are your buddies, or because they are a certain race or religion, or because they give you money, etc. You have discretion to say, "Hey, I don't think it is worth charging someone with battery because they sprayed their neighbor with the hose when the neighbor was yelling at them." Most of the charging decisions are pretty cut and dry, and the one's on the margins where discretion comes in are usually either petty stuff (see hose example), or the borderline provability cases.
    The average citizen is never going to be negatively impacted by a district attorney.
    Why would they want to **** your life up? They don't even know who you are.
    Mostly, it is just applying the law to the evidence.
    Yes. You are presumed to know the law, so it is in your interest to do so.
    That would be twisted justice. That isn't how it works though. You have to know that what you are doing is part of the crime. If you loan your car to a friend to go buy lunch, and they decide to go run down protesters with it and kill some, you aren't liable for felony murder, even though you provided the murder weapon. If you loan your car to someone to go rob a convenience store and they kill the clerk, then you can be (there are different limitations in different jurisdictions about whether your actions are active participation, evince a disregard for human life, etc.).
     
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  5. Rocket River

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    Actually Private Prisons LOVE TAKING TAX DOLLARS ON "CRIMINALS"
    Don't act like THE PEOPLE control how those dollars are spent

    Look at the numbers of Private Prison Lobby

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  6. pgabriel

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    Why don't you show us those dollars?
     
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    @Rocket River

    There are are 158 private prisons across 30 states. They house 8% of the prison population
     
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    . . . and Growing. . . .

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  9. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Recently declining. The felony murder rule in Texas has been around since 1974
     
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    and that is 158 too many

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    That may or not be true. My may main point is. it's not the reason for our incarceration numbers.

    You have no proof and it's a fairly ridiculous theory that private prisons are driving crime legislation

    It seems fitting but it's structurally ridiculous
     
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    The police-prison industrial complex is a big reason. Private prisons are just a cog in that machine.
     
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    The prison population rose for 2 years in 2023 after a decade of declining
     
  14. StupidMoniker

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    Not surprising, considering crime rose in 2020-2022, so the people convicted of crime were put in prison. When crime was declining, the number of people going to prison declined. It is when the two numbers are moving in opposite directions (taking into account lag) that you need to look for other explanations.
     
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    @Rocket River

    The timing of this thread couldn't be worse. The ship has long sailed on trying to reduce American jail sentences.

    You live in Houston, you know the issue is repeat offenders repeating because they were out on bail, so much so it was on the recent election ballot

    Remember the thread on this guy

    I don't want to be a hypocrite because in that thread I argued he served his time because I didn't know he had be arrested for murder this year

    Edit: I agree that our jail sentences are draconian in length but to argue that private jails are driving crime legislation is straight up ridiculous even for you

    You're video makes some good points about felony murder and charging an accomplice of someone killed by police with murder is vindictive but those are rare examples. For the most part it's applied so that all participants are charged with murder if one kills a victim
     
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