I'm not "resorting" to anything. That's how CF narratives work. "He plays **** half of his games" = bust.
I've never seen people argue about a player's shooting using game by game stat, not to mention a 7-game sample size. Look at Kevin Durant's first 50 NBA games. He shot lower than 30% from 3, had a whole lot of disaster games. He is shooting 43% from 3. NOT BAD. What he's terrible now is his midrange shooting, which I've been pointing out several times. That is something he needs to improve on and is not unreasonable to expect.
If Spencer can drop 36 points per 36 minutes on 80% TS for the rest of his career then he'll be a star independent of Reed. Since we're comparing them he's 4 years older than Reed right now, though. This new "consistent" stuff now that Reed is shooting well over the course of a season so far is just more goal post moving. Holiday shot well last year. I think he's a decent player and we'd be slightly better if he were playing right now but I think Reed has a ton more upside. But for "consistent" here are Holiday's 3pt shooting lines from March last year 1-6, 3-7, 0-1, 0-1, 1-6, 2-9, 2-3, 1-3, 0-1, 0-3. The idea that every 40% 3pt shooter goes 2-5 every game is foolish. My post wasn't even that he's going to be a "star", just that he has the best handles and passing ability of our guards right now. Handle has some subjectivity and he makes more mistakes than an 8 year vet like Holiday but he very clearly makes passes all the time Holiday can't. Seems pretty obvious to me watching him but I guess if you don't like him you won't pick that up. I think he's going to be good but I don't know for sure. That game against OKC last year when he was running Jalen Williams through PnRs and busting Cason Wallace off the dribble was probably one of the best games any rookie had last year. He's going to have to continue to get much better defensively or become an elite consistent playmaker to become a medium to high end starter. I see it in him but I don't know for sure if it's going to happen.
Castle is better than Reed right now and it's not debatable. That doesn't make you a Spurs fan. If you watch him play it is obvious. It could definitely change...
You are vastly underrating how damaging it is to have a guy that can’t shoot and isn’t guarded is to spacing along with turning it over at historic rates.
And Castle as an offensive player gets him in the g league. Ime will not play 5 turnovers a game. So it's a moot point.
He's just bad. Eventually the Spurs are going to have to make a decision with him because hes worse than both Fox (who is just way better Castle) and Harper. And he cant shoot. So...what is he. They'll eventually package him and Sochan for a real floor spacer. They'd trade him for Reed in a heartbeat.
The kid has played 59 games in his career .... I think it's a bit premature to put any kind of label on him. He wasn't supposed to be more than a bit player going into this season, the injury to FVV pushed him into the rotation. He has played well overall, some ups, some downs but the shooting is proving to be legit - he's shooting 43% from distance, that's the special quality that got him drafted and that's a huge improvement over last season. Yes, there are things he needs to improve on .... but we are seeing improvement in all facets of his game. Let's see what he looks like in December or around the allstar break and see if he can grow into a role he was never expected to fill this season. It takes time for point guards to mature into the position. We gave Jalen 4 years to show us who he ultimately was, we can give Reed another 20 or so games or so .... which will equate to a full seasons worth of games.
People are judging both Reed and Castle really early. These guys are seven games into their sophomore seasons.
Just pulled up Dallas game. Reed was pulled with 7:22 left in game and rockets up 2. Reed started the quarter and rockets were up 3. So you're arguing over a single point. He was a plus 5 that game. He has had a negative plus minus in 2 games. Castle has had 3 such games. Reed entered Detroit game 1:53 left in the 3rd with rockets up 5. He left at 6:52 with rockets down 1. He shot 1 for 3 for 3 points. He had a turnover and 2 fouls. Now let's look over Amen's 7 or 8 minute stretches to find a bad one too so you can say Amen should be benched.
Full disclosure - I wanted to draft Castle over Reed, but I'm not so sure that the Spurs would trade the former for the latter. Castle can't shoot, but he's a baller and can finish and defend at a high level. He's definitely better than Reed right now and if he can ever get to just being a league average shooter, could touch an All-Star game or two one day. Reed has one elite skill right now and nothing else. While I personally think he'll eventually get there, but there's no guarantee he ever becomes better than Castle.
Castle counting numbers are ok. His actual game play is not. The turnover rate and terrible shooting from outside is not ideal. Defensively; metrics say Reed and Castle are essentially a wash. People just want to **** on Reed because he doesn’t look like they want him to look. He isn’t going to be a guy that can switch 1-3. But he was a great defender in college, he is a good athlete by NBA standards and with time he can be a good defender in NBA. I’m more interested in seeing him develop as a lead ball handler, that is where his upside is tied to. If not, he’s an undersized 3&D bench player
I don’t think anyone is really judging castle. I certainly think he has a chance to be a good player long term. My only issue has been when people say that he is good now/last season because that is inarguably false and only said to put down reed.
That's my mistake then, I thought you meant shooting period, not sure from deep. Sure, he has some ok 3 point games. The majority of his career though he's been a mediocre shooter at best. 36.5% from the field and 35.6% from 3, your "small sample size" argument disproves your own. Let's use the real sample size? He's worse than our bustiest busts by a significant margin. "Generational shooters" don't tend to have those numbers.
Eh, I did that with Jalen ..... that's how I noticed the inconsistency starting in his rookie year. Now the sample size for Jalen was much larger - fist spanning a full season, then two and finally three seasons - all displaying the same inconsistency. The major difference between the two was the # of games Jalen shot below .200 - That was a third of a seasons worth of games per year. Reed has one such game so far in 7. Reed's sample size is really small at 7 games this season - really hard to make much of judgement. Let's see where he's at later in the season.
There’s no real sample size to use, it does not exist. You have to make an educated guess based on whatever criteria you want to use to judge shooting.
You know this is a lie though, right? Jalen Green Year 1 - 3 games >200 from the field at 4% of his games Year 2 - 1 game shooting AT 200 from the field, none below 0% of his games below Year 3 - 4 games below, 4 games shooting at 200 for 5% rounding up Year 4 - 2 games below at 2% Reed Sheppard (we'll be generous and just use his first season as the sample size) Year 1 - 14 games at less than 200 from the field at 30% of his games So literally Reed does what you accuse Jalen off. And y'all prop up him like a MOTHER****ER. I'm not even saying this to defend Jalen, Reed's just even more ****.
