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Reed Sheppard is the Rockets’ Franchise Player™

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by J.R., Jun 26, 2024.

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Do you like the selection of Reed Sheppard?

Poll closed Oct 14, 2024.
  1. YES

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  2. NO

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  1. shakes05

    shakes05 Member

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    Play defense - Reed is a liability on defense...
    Dribble penetration - Reed has improved in this area, but he still prefers to pass the ball to KD/Sengun and go stand in the corner...if he's not hitting his corner 3s, then his poor defense and lack of Dribble penetration makes him useless
    Kick outs - this correlates to Dribble penetration...if Reed is more patient in pick-n-roll action and not pick up his dribble, he could be dangerous in this situation. However, his natural instinct is to pick up his dribble, pass to KD or Sengun, and go run into the corner hoping he makes his open 3s.
    I agree, Reed is not a finished product, but having KD changes our timeline of being patient with development. If we still had our same roster from last season no question we wouldn't be talking about potentially trading Reed...however, this is probably our weakest link and we need to upgrade this area...looking at the other contenders in the West who we we'll have to compete against such as the Thunder, Lakers, Clippers they dont have any weaknesses in the roster. It will come down to health/injuries and matchups when the playoffs come around.
    With our team, we have to address our biggest weakness before heading into the playoffs: secondary combo guard playmaker
     
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  2. Landry's Tooth

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    There are plenty of players with his size or smaller with success in the nba.

    He wasn't even the shortest lottery pick that year.
     
  3. roslolian

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    Look at Payton Pritchard now he has to start and needs to score in isolation. 23% from 3, TS% 52.

    It is different when you are the focal point that's why Castle isn't that efficient compared to Reed. If Reed was having the attention that Castle gets he'd score worse than Pritchard.

    If Spurs had Reed and Reed had to endure all the attention Castle has had he would be called a bust by now.
     
  4. Landry's Tooth

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    I think your point is irrelevant, because I'm discussing what role he can be for this team, not what he is now.

    Be honest, you want to bench Amen because he can't shoot and he turns the ball over.

    Sorry, most players aren't perfect.
     
  5. Landry's Tooth

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    So teams aren't worried about Victor, they worry about Castle????

    Thanks, I needed that...
     
  6. roslolian

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    Wemby missed a ton of time last year leaving Castle to fend for himself mostly. This year Wemby is just one guy. Reed has KD, Sengun and Amen. There's a huge gap between 2nd option and 4rth. That's just on offense, on defense we need to hide Reed while Castle is the best perimeter defender on the Spurs and guarding the other team's best perimeter player.
     
  7. shakes05

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    That's when I argue stats are skewed.
    Stats say we have the number 1 offense in the NBA...Do you think we have a better "offensive team" than the Warriors or Lakers?
    Stats say Reed has a better plus/minus than Castle...when they matchup tomorrow night, will Reed capitalize on the matchup when he get man coverage with Castle or will we hide him in our 2-3 zone?
    When Reed is sub into the game to initiate the offense, will he be able to breakdown the Spurs defense to get easier baskets when Wemby is in the game or will we hide him in the corner hoping he makes his 3s?
    If Okogie isn't hitting his 3s, we wouldn't be starting him. However, his excellent defense is why we're playing him over Reed.
    If we had Castle, no way Okogie would be starting over him. I argue our offense would be more dynamic because of Castle's athleticism and ability to finish around the rim.
     
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  8. shakes05

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    Amen can:
    1) Break down the defense and get to the basket while finishing at a high percentage
    2) Play offball and slash to the basket while finishing at a high percentage
    3) Lock down our opponents best player any position from 1-4

    Sorry, Reed is not that guy. I'll reiterate this: if we didn't trade for KD and had our team from last season then I wouldn't be so critical on his current development. KD is 37 and we don't got time hoping Reed will not become a defensive liability before playoffs start
     
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  9. shakes05

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    Reed gotta learn how to draw a charge because his limitations wont be able to keep him on the court unless he's hitting 3-4 corner 3s per game
     
  10. roslolian

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    I agree with you but how badly would we need more help when DFS comes back? I think there are enough players this year and besides who can we get without giving up prime assets? I don't wanna give up more picks and swaps for another vet we are already getting too old.
     
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    We all have our biases and opinions. I could be wrong and if I'm wrong I'll apologize and admit my mistake. I don't take things personal here unlike other posters who clearly feel the need to attack me just because I keep criticizing Reed.

    I have been watching games for 2 decades now and short players show something special within the year. Like Jeremiah Fears. IMO Fears will end up a better player than either Reed or Wolves's Rob Dillingham even if all are small young guards.
     
  12. ChillyPete32

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    Which guard has a better handle and passes better?
     
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  13. shakes05

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    My gut feeling is telling me we won't trade Reed, but we'll probably wait for buyout candidates...Holiday and Tate both have implied no-trade clauses which means they have to approve for any trade they're involved in. Jeff Green is an important veteran in our locker room, but he might makes the most sense to trade to open a roster spot if we want pick up a potential buyout player.
     
  14. BonziWellsGOAT

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    The notion on here that Reed cant pass or handle the ball is braindead and anyone who espouses that notion is also either braindead or purposely obtuse. His Assist to turnover is 2.3/1 which is actually slightly better than Amen and Alpi. Granted they are in a much higher usage role and obviously more prominent in the defenses eyes. Point is that for his role he has done fine and is clearly getting more and more comfortable and improving. Yes he has had rough moments and yes he picks his dribble up a bit too much but a few posters on here have made it their mission to be as disingenuous as possible and give him as little grace as possible.
     
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    Dude you are sooo f*cking dense it's nuts. You are referencing things now that we never talked about. Again you were talking about him pumping his stats against bad teams. We were not discussing how many good games or bad games he had. Only that you said his shooting numbers were being inflated by bad defenses. Then AGAIN as i said he had four games last year where he hit shots and 2 were against top 5 defenses. That is what I referenced nothing less or nothing more.


    So you can bring up how that game is an outlier in other regards. Then doh doh derp derp "how do you have an MBA" or whatever crap you are saying. Again you can attempt to twist this however you try. You are wrong. I am right.

    I use SQL queries from AWS often enough at the end of quarters. Which exclusively uses stats you dork. So in closing I am so glad that you show me that he scored 22 points in that game when he averaged 4 for the year and how that is an outlier. Bravo you really got me there. I just can't figure out how that is an outllier in that regard. I mean you relaly just got me i dont know what an outlier is. bahahahahaha
     
  16. Dobbizzle

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    Yeah but they're usually actually super fast, or explosive, or agile, or good at something. Ballbo Baggins runs around like a headless chicken most of the time and shoots less than 30% from the field more often than he doesn't. Muggsy Bogues would make him look like a complete chump.
     
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    Handy if the ball ever rolls under something and you need somebody to go get it though I guess.
     
  18. Phillyrocket

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    A Castle stan on a Rockets board is wild. Can’t shoot and is a turnover machine = out of the league.

    Stone and the brain trust are likely over the moon with how Reed has played so far. 43% from 3 while just getting consistent minutes this year? Reed is going nowhere. Relatively cheap young talent is paramount in this second apron era.
     
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  19. shakes05

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    Not a Stan, just a realist...anybody who knows ball understands Castle is a better player than Reed.
    Castle was a starter and key player in their National Championship run at UCONN.
    Reed was a 6th man, not even the best freshman on his team (Rob Dillingham) - was drafted based on need, which was 3 point shooting.
    All I'm saying if Reed is not hitting the 3, he's useless on the court. I'm wishing the best for Reed, but as a fan I would like us to upgrade our backup pg spot for a deep playoff run
     
  20. Bobbythegreat

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    Honestly I think some people just don't know what they are seeing when they try to watch basketball.

    That's the only way you could watch a ball dominant turnover waiting to happen who can't shoot at all and think that's what a good basketball player looks like.

    Those types are weird, but it is what it is i guess.
     

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