He just needs to contribute to winning basketball on a dark horse contender team. That's all I care about this year.
For a lower 1st rnd pick or a 2nd rnd pick from last yr, yes that would be acceptable but not for a Top 3 pick. Last night, I thought Holiday performed the way we need Reed to performed. He hit the wide open 3pt shoot and he manned up defensively.
Reed is 6-1.75" per his combine measurements. Currently there is Jalen Brunson, Trae Young and Ja Morant who are all his height give or take a quarter inch. There's also Kyrie Irving. Brunson is shorter than him at 6-1. Can you name many PGs better than him? At some point people have to understand that we didnt draft Reed for his height like we didnt draft Amen for his shooting. Someone with his shooting ability fundamentally changes the composition of the basketball court. Those players are *very very very rare*. Its how the Warriors won 4 titles. They had two of them. Ultimately you are in one of two boats as it pertains to Reed. That he can break through that "under 6-3" ceiling because hes just so damn gifted it doesnt matter. Or that he cant. Rockets are banking on the idea that he can. So get used to him.
Yeah definitely worth mentioning. Holiday hit a 3. If only Sheppard could hit a 3 pointer at some point this season!
oh most certainly it does. I don’t think the reed Sheppard thing is gonna work. I am simply saying it remains the correct course to find out if he can give us more than Aaron holiday. It isn’t a super high bar. I don’t think he can clear it, but it’s not Mount Olympus. The more difficult question is how long do we allow this to go on, I am comfortable in saying Ime will give him 20 games to show real growth and real indications he can become a playable option. 30 games? Um I guess maybe, depending on if he is costing us games and how the rest of the team is doing, In no way does Reed Sheppard keep me from exploring all other options.
Ya, it's pretty much just the JOF that go hard at reed, though i don't really think reed is the reason jalen is gone.
I mean that's what I'm saying? He has quick hands, so his defensive mentality should be about that. He's not going to get steals if he's faced up waiting to get blown by, he'll get those steals if he's close up in their space being pesky. I'm saying there is something to build on but he's not a good defender in space, we can all see this, so his mentality should be to eliminate as much space as he can, get in their jersey, and annoy the F out of them and get steals, if he gets blown by, well that happens any way. I'm one of the Reed defenders here, I'm just being honest, right now if the playoffs started would you like to see him get minutes? The answer is no, he's just not ready right now. Thankfully for him he has the benefit of the doubt being a #3 overall pick and not having basically any experience. Rockets will be able to get away with playing him too because we have so many good players and the initial plan would have had FVV so we can afford in regular season games to play him and see how he progresses... But I imagine if a better guard option presents itself Reed will be the first one on the block. Especially if we're like 2nd in the conference and the window looks to be right now.
because we would be winning more by playing Holiday or JD. Even Udoka knows this he benched Reed and played Holiday cuz he knew we would have lost if he kept Reed in. The issue is you can trade for an average starter and skip the dev time. Why even spend multiple years of development if you just end up with a replacement level player?
It's interesting you see it this way. From my perspective it's more than the people who targetted Jalen since before we drafted him and did nothing but b**** about his efficency are the ones banging the drum for Reed who is less efficent, has a much higher proportion of terrible games and hasn't flashed anything at anything near a star level. For me it's a "fool me once" situation. I put faith in somebody miles better than Reed and was let down, why would i believe in the non-athletic (42 inch vert my ass) slow as **** chucker with t-rex arms more? Mental.
I think that’s the problem though - he is in his second year and is shooting 35% from three on his career. You can find guys in the g league who shoot 35%, gamble a lot on defense, and lose most one on one defensive matchups in a game. At least with other top talents you can say - remember that one game where we all saw the star potential? Take Tari or Amen - each had big games that their team won because of them earlier in their career. They made a real impact on the final score. Reed was billed as a generational shooter and yet he doesn’t have that moment. He has had games where he hit more threes than others but in blow outs or against less serious competition. That’s the issue - we haven’t seen that from Reed yet which is fine but that tells me - you need to dial back the projections of him being elite or generational at something because if that were the case we would have seen it a bit more than lighting up some scrubs in Summer League. I’ll remind you to look up the definition of insanity sometime and see if that doesn’t apply. I get the promise of what he is supposed to be good at, I get the expectations of a 3 pick…but the reality is we are still waiting for ANY signs that he can be elite at something on an NBA level in meaningful minutes and even a glimpse of that still eludes us. That’s a bad sign.
Totally agree here. Honestly Holiday is the better player today - if Reed can’t show signs he is worth investing in soon, this likely turns on him quickly.
So Ime is the reason Reed sucks? Thats what they said about Cam and KMart Jr. BTW Silas never neutered Sengun. Dude was averaging 14/9 his second year as a 20 yr old center.
This obviously doesn't capture the defensive issues, but his per 36 numbers are encouraging so far. 16.7/5.3/5.9 1.5 stl .6 blk 2.6 turnovers 2.3 fouls. His % is .516 b/c he only draws 1.5 fouls per 36 and he's shooting 32% from 2. Still, I'd call anything close to that a pretty successful sophmore season. If he's 38%+ from three and continues to have a 2:1 assist-to-turnover ratio by the end of the season, that's the guy we thought we were getting right? Link to BB ref: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sheppre01.html
This. People act like he was dropping bombs against elite opponents on the nightly lol. Anyway sample size will prove or disprove this over time.
Is that really what's important the second year of Reed? Has he been disappointing/underwhelming? Yes. But lets see how he does this season and hopefully he will have a good step forward then another off season of strength training then another step forward. He's an undersized guard, it's just going to take longer if it's going to end up working out.
Different ways to look at things. Vertical athleticism isn’t the only thing that matters. Jokic, luka, shai, not exactly run and jump monsters. Reed was put into a horrific situation, jalen into an incredible one so comparing them is silly but the JOF all seem to hate reed with a passion.
No I thought we were getting a generational shooter, or so I was told. 38% is just above average. Far from generational. I have lowered my expectation now.
His current nos are boosted by pumping up his stats vs bad teams and low attempts vs good teams. This makes his average misleading cuz it is heavily skewed and even then his efficiency is terrible 51% is also really bad.
