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Reed Sheppard is the Rockets’ Franchise Player™

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by J.R., Jun 26, 2024.

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Do you like the selection of Reed Sheppard?

Poll closed Oct 14, 2024.
  1. YES

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  1. Landry's Tooth

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    You just described Jalen Green for 4 years.

    How about Reed gets a chance off the bench?
     
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  2. hlmbasketball

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    The difference is we know who Durant is, we don't know who Reed is as of yet.
     
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  3. astrosrule

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    You should really consider taking a stats class. Idk how old you are so maybe you will at some point but learning about sample size, variance, probability would help you a lot.
     
  4. Landry's Tooth

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    What was okogie signing for in the offseason?

    Now what would teams trade for Reed?

    Potential is a valuable commodity.
     
  5. Rileydog

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    Ime continues to do the right thing in letting Sheppard play. Based on his lousy first half, I wasn’t sure if Aimee was going to let Sheppard play in the second half. I actually think there is some growth there by Ime that Reeds ass wasn’t nailed to the bench.

    I was at the game last night and yes, the whole team was off, except for sengun. Reed was a one man come back starter for Dallas. I can’t remember the exact sequence, but we had finally gotten out to a 5-7 point lead, and then Sheppard makes two idiotic plays. I believe it was the fourth quarter. One was a terrible weak drive into traffic that has zero chance of success. I think the other was a stupid turnover. Maybe a blow by on defense too. Anyway, in a span of less than a minute, Sheppard single handedly brought Dallas back to a tie. It was infuriating. I thought Ime would have security escort Sheppard out of the building.

    Anyway, for the folks who want to bench Sheppard or kick him to the curb, that is the wrong approach. We absolutely need to see what he can become in the next few weeks/months. Raising our floor by playing Holiday now is short sighted. But man when Sheppard sucks, he sucks.

    He is like the bad version of Rafael Montero.
     
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  6. Bo6

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    he had some bad plays last night for sure but it's quite noticeable how quickly he swings the ball and helps speed our up our pace of play.

    we have to keep playing him to see what he can develop into. you need to ride out the bonehead plays. he's 21 years old after all..
     
  7. Houston77

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    Reed has a long way to go, but he's still shooting .42 from 3 on solid volume and his passing is looking crisp. I'm definitely not selling my Reed stock at a loss yet. HOLD!
     
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  8. roslolian

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    His shooting is built on the back of crappy teams like I said just wait till the next sandbag team comes up he'll have another great game and y'all can celebrate.
     
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    I am curious how much potential do you think Reed has? Do you think he has star potential?

    I think this is where our disagreement lies I dont think Reed will be better than Max Christie thats why I have no patience with him or want to stick to developing him.
     
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    Well the thing is KD has limited shelf life we are trying to win games so we have buffer when the inevitable injury happens.

    If Reed has all this untapped potential like say Stephon Castle then I would be ok with development but I think his height and measurables puts a hard cap on his ceiling you dont really see small guards be anything more than small time role players outside a few outliers.

    This is no joke I would prefer developing JD Davison over Reed straight up. JD is an inch shorter but has gorilla arms, is extremely athletic, good defender and plays very physical.
     
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    I don't really care, frankly. You can't fake shooting. Last year, only 15 players averaged .37 or better from 3 on 5 or more 3pa a game. Of those players, the youngest was Myles Turner at 29 years old. The rest were 30+. Obviously Reed's shooting could fall off, but until it does, I'm not going to try and downplay it.
     
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    But he was 33% last year not 37.

    This year Okogie is 60% from 3.
     
  13. tehG l i d e

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    His airball 3 made me almost throw my remote at the screen. And he also had the goofiest turnovers, a couple of potential fastbreaks that were blown.
     
  14. Houston77

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    Evaluating a player's ability from 3, IMO, is looking at the combination of volume AND percentage. At the moment, Sheppard is averaging .42 from 3 on 5.2 3pa per game. Conversely, Okogie is averaging .5 from 3 on 3 3pa. To me, .42 on 5+ 3pa is much more impressive than .5 on 3 3pa. There just aren't many guys who can average .37+ from 3 while shooting over 5 3s a game. When it comes to guys 22 and under, the pool becomes even smaller. Radically so - 3 point shooting is a skill that players often improve throughout their career.

    Mind you, this isn't a comparison of Sheppard and Okogie - Okogie is a far more valuable player at the moment. However, there just aren't many young sharpshooters in the NBA. It's a rare trait, and if Sheppard can sustain his shooting, he'll end up having a long career and make a lot of money. Of course, this is a really, really big “if.”
     
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    I agree with you however Reed is also very smart and manipulative when it comes to stats like when he had that 42 inch vertical or when he shot 50% in college. On one hand it shows his IQ but on the other you also cant take his shooting at face value. His average he pumps it up against bad teams then he shuts down and doesnt shoot against good teams so his average is maintained. This is what separates him from other shooters like Holiday cuz Holiday will shoot with no conscience no matter what even if he is 2/15 or w/e. Again this is 2 sided of course you want your player to have a brain like Reed but again it is misleading cuz it makes him seem like a good option when he only works against bad teams. A guy like Holiday oth he knows his niche and his role and Ime knows when to insert him or keep him benched.

    I admit I was wrong when I claimed he couldnt shoot or hasnt improved since last year. However the ceiling is still limited since I think he cant score effectively against good defensive teams unless left wide open. He should start working on his creation skills if he wants to be more than an career vet min like Aaron Holiday. The market doesnt value undersized SG with bad D very highly.
     
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    His shooting will come with experience. His mechanics are flawless and an open 3 to him is basically a free throw. Right now he hasn't played even 60 NBA games and needs to get used to shooting more comfortably. At times he still kinda has that deer in the headlights situation (happened to him multiple times in the 4Q last night) where he's not sure whether to shoot or not. But luckily he's actually playing now so he can be in the film room today and be shown that passing up an open 3 so that Okogie or Tari can put up a shot is a bad idea. His playmaking is really where he will prove his worth. If that comes around and his 3 pointer stays above 40% (45% is where I'd like it to be) then we will have struck gold with that pick.

    Of all of our draft picks, I'd say that Reed and Sengun have had the most criticism early on. Jalen faced a lot starting in his 3rd year as did Jabari. People wanted Sengun traded so many times I couldn't even keep count. But ultimately talent is rare and they both possess it.
     
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    Not so sure about criticism, I think people are merely disappointed....rightfully so as he was advertised as ready and having a really high floor.

    Turns out he has a good ceiling but is raw as well.

    Of course he is going to be compared to Amen, Alperen and Jabari who all had success already.

    One thing those names have over Reed is that all of Amen, Sengün and Jabari have very good size for their position.

    Jalen had average size, Cam also decent size.

     
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  18. Landry's Tooth

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    I think he's probably Tyler Herro level talent. Doesn't mean he gets there.

    I think the problem is you don't want to even give him a chance.
     
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  19. Landry's Tooth

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    Okogie is a well known terrible shooter. More likely it's a streak.

    Even Russ shoots well in stretches.
     
  20. Houston77

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    I think you’re way off on Okogie. He’s averaged around .37 from 3 over his last 100 games. That’s one helluva “streak.”
     

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