Green's draft was considered very strong, but Reed's draft was considered very weak. It's not even certain that there will be a single All-Star from the 2024 draft.
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Jalen Green: 2nd pick, 1st pick of the rebuild, “all-star, 25+ppg scorer” “MJ, Kobe, Booker, LaVine, Beal”, bad team, handed starting job Reed Sheppard: 3rd pick in widely described bad draft, “(Shooting of) Steph Curry, Steve Nash, Mark Price“, good team, working to earn minutes The likely same people who made excuses (and would still be making excuses if he were still here) for Jalen Green are ready to say with certainty Reed is a bust after 57 games/761 minutes. (Of 2024 lottery picks, only Rob Dillingham(561) and @coachbadlee ‘s guy Devin Carter(420) have played less minutes.) At the same time, yes, Jalen had shown way more flashes than Reed has. Of course we can have the chicken/egg argument. “He doesn’t play because he sucks.” “He sucks because he doesn’t play.” Maybe he should have played last year (mistakes and all). Maybe he’d still suck. Maybe he’d be ahead in his learning curve. “There is no learning curve. He’s tiny. BBQ chicken. Even my 7 year old knows not to pick up his dribble.” He very may well bust. And wouldn’t surprise me in the least if General Manager Ime Udoka trades him to help Head Coach Ime Udoka. (And no doubt you’ll be back to tell us. “I didn’t need 82 games/another year/larger sample size to tell you he sucks. Never should’ve selected him, never wanted him and should’ve traded him while he still had “value”.”) Rafael Stone(paraphrasing): It was Reed or we were trading the pick. He was top on our board. Iko(paraphrasing): It was between Reed and Clingan. Gatlin: https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/lor-predicting-clingan-over-sheppard.323553/ https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/3rd-pick-who-do-you-want.323203/ Reed Sheppard 268 vote(s) 43.2% Trade the pick 113 vote(s) 18.2% Donovan Clingan 56 vote(s) 9.0% Zaccharie Risacher 55 vote(s) 8.9% Nikola Topić 48 vote(s) 7.7% Rob Dillingham 28 vote(s) 4.5% Zach Edey 21 vote(s) 3.4% Matas Buzelis 13 vote(s) 2.1% Stephon Castle 11 vote(s) 1.8% Dalton Knecht 7 vote(s) 1.1% Last year, Castle & Edey were all the rage. This year, still some Castle love and I guess Buzelis(?) or 38th pick Ajay Mitchell. “Doesn’t matter. Castle. Edey. Clingan. Buzelis. Mitchell. McCain. Ware. Jaylen Wells. Even 45th pick hometown kid Jamal Shead is better than Reed! For being a bad draft, good players were to be had and we whiffed!”
Something interesting...TS% in their second seasons (same age): Jalen Green: 53.8% Reed Sheppard: 53.9% The difference is people who like Reed say he needs to get better and come off the bench. The people who liked Jalen were saying he should be an allstar.
Anyone else notice Reed's per 36 ticking up? 17.5 points 5.7 assists 4.4 rebounds 1.7 steals 0.7 blocks 2.4 turnovers If he could do that over 36 minutes I think it would be a sign we may have something after another year or so of growth....
Stats can be misleading. One gets on avg 15 mins a game playing against bench players , the other was a starter being guarded by the opponents best player. Its a difference
He was being compared to mark price and Steph curry. So you’ve given up on Reed and think he’s nothing but a role player.
Jalen came into the league with a weak body, weak fundamentals, weak handles, inefficient shooting... Normally a guy with that many flaws has to work 6-10 years just to overcome that. People declared him Kobe Mentality and work ethic lol.....you cannot top that.
The efficiency for young players is rarely good. It can't be the main indicator of potential. The hope is that if a prospect is putting up good volume the efficiency will go up over time as they develop. After three seasons Cade Cunningham was less efficient than Jalen, but he's improved a ton with a better supporting cast around him and made the all-star team last season. I think Reed will continue to improve and his 44% shooting from deep means he'll be more useful as a floor spacer than Jalen ever was, but maybe I'm being super optimistic.
With Green we had just started the rebuild and we needed a star. He had all the tools but couldn’t put them together. Now we have Durant, Amen, Sengun as the stars and great complimentary pieces like Eason and Bari. We don’t need Reed to be a star the way we needed Green. Thus lower expectations.
You sure about that? People were complaining Reed was playing when it mattered against OKC. I guess OKC played their bench when it mattered. No one needs a top tier defender against Jalen. Here are 29 games for Jalen last year against the 10 worst nba defenses by scoring: 25.8 points 3.97 assists 4.79 rebounds 1.0 steal .34 blocks 2.38 TO 41.5% 3pt 52.4% 2pt How would Reed do against defenses that let a 35.4% 3pt shooter go over 40%? His EFG% was 56.89%. That's roughly SGA, Herro, Garland, and Bane level... but only against bottom 10 defenses. You can imagine how he did against just average ones....
Reed Sheppard is literally the Steph Curry of DMo's.....and all 3 of them are literally just other versions of Scola.
Again, stats are misleading. Just because those teams were considered poorous, doesn't mean their best defender wasn't guarding Jalen. Think of it like this, when Houston had Ariza our team stats wasn't the best but Ariza was still considered a GOOD DEFENDER. He was always put on the other team's best offensive player. And that player for us was always Jalen.....FACTS
