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Shut it down - shut the government down

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DaDakota, Sep 30, 2025.

  1. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

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    Probably going to try to direct them to only Red Areas

    Rocket River
     
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  2. Buck Turgidson

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    ...and your point is?
     
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  3. Buck Turgidson

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    No
     
  4. DaDakota

    DaDakota Fight Facism
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    No **** Sherlock.

    People will die first.....like happens with every Facist regime.

    DD
     
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  5. astros123

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    Hes posting it cuz he gets humor and happiness from other people's suffering. This is who MAGA is at heart. Watching others suffer is what gets these people off.

    Folks still dont understand MAGA
     
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  6. edwardc

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    47 will go down as the Worst Potus Ever.
     
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  7. Buck Turgidson

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    No ****, Sherlock
     
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  8. DaDakota

    DaDakota Fight Facism
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    I wouldn't **** you, you are my favorite turd.

    DD
     
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  9. snowconeman22

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    I'm flying around Thanksgiving.

    It's probably a very bad idea
     
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  10. AleksandarN

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    I guess you are that stupid. His approval rating is down across all of the polls since he came into office.
     
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  11. edwardc

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  13. Reeko

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    Lord have mercy if dumbass Democrats cave on the basis of a “promise” from republicans who have zero morals or values and lie as easily as they breathe

    There is still no official agreement within a group of Senate centrists that have been privately meeting to discuss a shutdown exit ramp. But multiple sources involved in discussions told CNN that a deal could be reached as soon as this week to pass a temporary stopgap bill to reopen the government alongside several full-year spending bills — with a promise of a future vote to extend billions in enhanced Obamacare subsidies.

    Democrats are now seriously considering this off-ramp after many in the party have insisted for weeks that the mere promise of a vote would not be enough, pushing instead for an extension of the soon-to-expire subsidies, which have become a central sticking point amid the shutdown.

    It’s a reflection of the mounting frustration of many Democratic senators who can’t stomach any more shutdown pain, after this week’s partial cut-off in food aid, with the shutdown set to break the 35-day record on Wednesday.

    Still, it won’t appease the scores of liberal senators now warning that the party will lose its leverage, and alienate voters, if it accepts such an offer.

    “If the Democrats cave on this, I think it would be a betrayal to millions and millions of working families who want them to stand up and protect their health care benefits,” a furious Sen. Bernie Sanders, a Vermont independent told reporters on Tuesday when asked what message the centrist-led talks would send to voters.

    “I think we’re suckers to believe that a party that is opposed to extending the subsidies now is all of a sudden going to be supportive of that a month from now,” Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut put it plainly, referring to the billions of dollars in enhanced Affordable Care Act subsidies that expire next month.

    It’s not yet clear whether these liberal Democrats will attempt to pressure Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer to scuttle the dealmaking by the centrists or whether he would have any interest in doing so.

    Senate Democrats huddled for nearly three hours Tuesday on the path forward, but remained uncharacteristically tight-lipped as they left. Schumer was also mum on whether he endorses the emerging plan, telling reporters: “We discussed all of the options.”

    Leaving Tuesday’s marathon meeting, retiring Sen. Gary Peters of Michigan called it “really one of the most productive caucus meetings I’ve been in.” He stressed there were no “whip counts” and instead, “everybody had a chance to really talk about ideas and issues.”

    And among the centrist Democrats, few are willing to speak publicly about where talks stand with Republicans – but many acknowledged the progress made in recent days.

    Inside the lunch on Tuesday, senators were briefed on the state of the negotiations and about the “opportunities to work together,” according to Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto.

    Sen. Elissa Slotkin of Michigan said after the lunch meeting that the pace “has definitely picked up” but declined to get into specifics of the talks.

    “I think when there’s a deal and I get something on health care, I’ll be ready to vote,” Slotkin said, but wouldn’t say whether an ACA subsidies vote is sufficient.

    Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona told reporters that Democrats were still talking to Republicans and acknowledged the massive gulf between the two parties on health care.

    “Obviously we’re in different universes on how we’re trying to address this issue of rising costs for people,” Kelly said when asked whether a future vote on ACA subsidies could end the stalemate. “We want to bring down their health care costs, or at least make sure it’s what it was last year. My Republican colleagues and the White House seem not to care about that.”

    He added: “But, you know, this thing can’t go on forever.”

    Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine similarly signaled willingness to engage with Republicans on future health care talks — as long as the bill included protections for thousands of federal workers in his own district.

    “We’ve got to have a path to fixing the ACA, but all the I’s and T’s don’t have to be dotted and crossed,” Kaine said, stressing that his priority in a funding deal was blocking President Donald Trump from freely firing workers and canceling federal projects, rather than a guaranteed extension of the Obamacare subsidies.

    “Stop the mischief, no more firings, no more furloughs, no more cancellation of projects,” Kaine said.

    Democratic Sen. Jacky Rosen of Nevada said she wanted to establish a working group to lay out a framework to address the rising cost of health care but didn’t want to state what she would or wouldn’t accept in order to vote to reopen the government.

    “I’m not going to negotiate in the press,” she told CNN.

    Still, some Democrats were adamant they would not relent without a clear agreement from Republicans.

    “A promise ain’t good enough for me,” Sen Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut told CNN.
     
  14. astros123

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    But thats good? Voters have seen their Healthcare premiums skyrocket as open enrollment has begun this week. People see the stark difference in policy between MAGATs vs democrats. Let people 30 million people lose their Healthcare and we'll see a total annihilation next year at midterms.

    If people dont feel pain theyll never realize how useless MAGA is
     
  15. glynch

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    Republicans and their kissing cousins the libertarians can't enjoy a good food, good medical insurance or a decent retirement unless they know that others don't have these benefits.
     
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  16. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet
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    Libertarians don't want to prevent you from buying whatever you want. Lobster, RPGs, cocaine, hookers, bitcoin, medical insurance from whoever will sell it to you and with whatever coverage you agree on. We don't want you to rob us to pay for it.
     
  17. DaDakota

    DaDakota Fight Facism
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    Libertarians are junior high level thinking, want a safe society, don’t want to pay for it.

    DD
     
  18. Kemahkeith

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    Yeah.
    I made the decision to drive to Buffalo to see wife's family instead of heading to Texas to spend it with my kin.
    Maybe Christmas.
     
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  19. dobro1229

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    It’s just not reality. We live in a community. Not individual silo’ed planets in our own solar system unaffected by the other. In a community, it’s economical and practical to share certain things. In a community, negative things you do can impact others.

    Most so-called libertarians understand that though, and it’s all a front to use an unproven philosophy to stand behind to enact selfish laws. In the end it’s always about entitlement.
     
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  20. Xerobull

    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum

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    100%

    There are libertarian (not capitalized) tenets like personal liberty, civil liberties, personal responsibility and social tolerance that work in the US, but others like limited government and limited taxation that don’t work due to human nature and the need to enforce the social contract.

    97% of the time when someone says they’re libertarian they’re just gun nuts who like to wave/tattoo/license plate the snake flag. If they voted Trump they aren’t true libertarians.
     
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