He’s shown flashes of being a top 10 guy for sure. Big difference between top 5 and bottom 5 though. I don’t want to pay a Dak level player 50+ mil a year
It is not time to move on but isn’t time to pay him either. He might have been top 10 but certainly hasn’t been since. (I know, terrible GM, bad coordinators, no running game, poor O-Line, no weapons outside of Nico. No one could succeed here!) “You deserve Davis Mills.” Check @zeeshan2 ’s charts & graphs (didn’t realize JC Denton took over your account ). Spoiler “But but but his OL!” Maye sacked 55 times, Caleb 53, Geno 50, Jayden 49, Herbert 48, Burrow 47, Stroud 47, Hurts 45, Mahomes/Baker/Rodgers/DJones 37 (This year: Ward 38 times, Maye 34 times, Herbert 28 times, Hurts 25 times, Fields 22 times, Trevor/Geno 21 times, Wentz/Dart 19 times, Goff/Tua/Rattler 18 times, Mahomes/Mayfield/Allen/Stroud/Jayden/Lamar 17 times) Spoiler Last 17 games unless *noted Stroud: 7-10(team record), 63%(completion), 3481 yards, 20 TD 13 INT, 85.6 rating, 6.9 Y/A, sacked 47 times, 58 rush attempts 338 yards Rookie year: 9-6, 63.9%, 4108 yards, 23 TD 5 INT, 100.8 rating, 8.2 Y/A, sacked 38 times, 39 rush attempts 167 yards 3 TD, 9 250+ yards passing games Since: 13-12, 64.2%, 5429 yards, 31 TD 17 INT, 89.0 rating, 7.0 Y/A, sacked 69 times, 81 rush attempts 422 yards, 6 250+ yards passing games Lamar Jackson: 11-6, 68.8%, 4039 yards, 46 TD 4 INT, 128.4 rating, 9.1 Y/A, sacked 35 times, 112 rush attempts 732 yards 3 TD Jared Goff: 13-4, 72%, 4704 yards, 40 TD 11 INT, 112.0 rating, 8.3 Y/A, sacked 31 times, 29 rush attempts 63 yards Joe Burrow: 11-6, 70.1%, 4685 yards, 43 TD 9 INT, 108.9 rating, 7.5 Y/A, sacked 47 times, 34 rush attempts 180 yards, 2 TD Sam Darnold: 14-3, 66.5%, 4503 yards, 34 TD 10 INT, 105.7 rating, 8.4 Y/A, sacked 32 times, 46 rush attempts 133 yards 1 TD Matthew Stafford: 13-4, 65.7%, 4238 yards, 34 TD 5 INT, 104.9 rating, 7.6 Y/A, sacked 24 times, 45 rush attempts 42 yards Patrick Mahomes: 12-5, 65%, 4335 yards, 32 TD 7 INT, 97.3 rating, 6.9 Y/A, sacked 37 times, 69 rush attempts 444 yards, 5 TD Josh Allen: 13-4, 66.5%, 3798 yards, 27 TD 9 INT, 101.1 rating, 7.9 Y/A, sacked 21 times, 112 rush attempts 607 yards 16 TD Baker Mayfield: 12-5, 67.9%, 4230 yards, 33 TD 9 INT, 103.5 rating, 7.6 Y/A, sacked 37 times, 53 rush attempts 367 yards 1 TD Justin Herbert: 11-6, 66.8%, 4371 yards, 30 TD 10 INT, 98.7 rating, 7.4 Y/A, sacked 48 times, 79 rush attempts 494 yards 2 TD Jalen Hurts: 14-3, 69.9%, 3272 yards, 26 TD 2 INT, 113.3 rating, 8.1 Y/A, sacked 45 times, 145 rush attempts 619 yards 15 TD Jordan Love: 10-6-1, 67.7%, 3913 yards, 23 TD 5 INT, 104.7 rating, 8.3 Y/A, sacked 18 times, 41 rush attempts 165 yards 1 TD Bo Nix: 12-5, 65.4%, 3998 yards, 38 TD 12 INT, 97.4 rating, 6.7 Y/A, sacked 18 times, 76 rush attempts 342 yards 3 TD Drake Maye: 9-8, 70.9%, 3791 yards, 26 TD 10 INT, 104.6 rating, 8.1 Y/A, sacked 55 times, 92 rush attempts 482 yards 3 TD Aaron Rodgers: 8-9, 66.3%, 3693 yards, 33 TD 9 INT, 99.0 rating, 6.8 Y/A, sacked 37 times, 24 rush attempts, 81 yards Jayden Daniels: 10-7, 64.5%, 3348 yards, 27 TD 9 INT, 95.7 rating, 6.9 Y/A, sacked 49 times, 139 rush attempts, 831 yards, 4 TD Tua Tagovailoa: 7-10, 71.4%, 3929 yards, 31 TD 15 INT, 97.5 rating, 6.9 Y/A, sacked 34 times, 23 rush attempts 47 yards Daniel Jones: 9-8, 67.7%, 4110 yards, 20 TD 11 INT, 92.6 rating, 7.3 Y/A, sacked 37 times, 89 rush attempts 308 yards, 7 TD *Dak Prescott: 6-9-1, 67.5%, 4047 yards, 27 TD 13 INT, 93.9 rating, 7.0 Y/A, sacked 31 times, 38 rush attempts 141 yards 2 TD Brock Purdy: 7-10, 65.9%, 4450 yards, 24 TD 16 INT, 94.6 rating, 8.4 Y/A, sacked 33 times, 73 rush attempts 353 yards 5 TD Caleb Williams: 6-11, 62.5%, 3792 yards, 23 TD 5 INT, 92.7 rating, 6.8 Y/A, sacked 53 times, 83 rush attempts 451 yards 2 TD Kyler Murray: 8-9, 68.8%, 3841 yards, 20 TD 12 INT, 90.7 rating, 6.8 Y/A, sacked 35 times, 84 rush attempts 498 yards 5 TD Geno Smith: 8-9, 69.9%, 3824 yards, 24 TD 19 INT, 91.6 rating, 7.5 Y/A, sacked 50 times, 50 rush attempts 176 yards 1 TD *Russell Wilson: 6-8, 62.6%, 3260 yards, 19 TD 8 INT, 91.4 rating, 7.3 Y/A, sacked 40 times, 59 rush attempts 249 yards 2 TD Bryce Young: 9-8, 61.2%, 3270 yards, 24 TD 10 INT, 86.3 rating, 6.2 Y/A, sacked 32 times, 54 rush attempts 295 yards 6 TD CJ Stroud: 7-10, 63%, 3481 yards, 20 TD 13 INT, 85.6 rating, 6.9 Y/A, sacked 47 times, 58 rush attempts 338 yards Trevor Lawrence: 7-10, 60.3%, 3723 yards, 19 TD 13 INT, 81.8 rating, 6.7 Y/A, sacked 36 times, 64 rush attempts 248 yards 7 TD *Justin Fields: 5-8, 64.9%, 2195 yards, 10 TD 1 INT, 93.0 rating, 6.7 Y/A, sacked 38 times, 115 rush attempts 577 yards 8 TD *Spencer Rattler: 1-13, 62.8%, 2903 yards, 12 TD 10 INT, 79.1 rating, 6.0 Y/A, sacked 40 times, 49 rush attempts 313 yards *Browns QBs not included (multiple QBs) *Falcons QBs not included (multiple QBs; Penix only 10 starts) *Giants QBs not included (multiple QBs; also see Daniel Jones) *Titans QBs not included (multiple QBs) *Vikings QBs not included (multiple QBs; also see Sam Darnold)
How would you run a team if you're not willing to pay someone like Dak? Assuming your line would be that you'd pay only mahomes, burrow, allen, lamar. Would Burrow make the cut? he's hurt so much. You'd have dumped guys like herbert, purdy?
Burrow is miles ahead of anything Stroud has shown. Purdy and Herbert have been more consistent than Stroud, by quite a bit. Either way, if they were all doing what CJ is doing, I wouldn’t want to pay them. It’s still projection that CJ gets to any of their levels at this point, but we have to see. If, and it’s probably not a small if, he gets to top 10 QB level you have to pay him. That’s just the nature of the sport. If he’s shown that bottom half of top 10 is his absolute ceiling, I would give it a year and see what we could get for him. It might be kicking the can down the road, but at that point a whole new GM/HC/OC/QB would be needed. Hopefully he can be a top 10 guy and we can keep the defense, that would be enough to hopefully win.
Oh you said a guy like Dak, i was talking more about him not CJ. Dak is certainly way better than purdy and at least as good as herbert. I generally agree with that philosophy though, i would NEVER pay the tua/lawrence/hurts types but if you put a good enough team around them you can win, and without a qb you cannot win. Purdy has had a light years better infrastructure around him, stroud would make the niners way better than purdy does. As soon as purdy's infrastructure went from historically great to so so, they stopped winning.
It's very bizarre that they all get paid the same. There's no difference between the contracts of the top 3 and guys like hurts who are in the 15 range. I really don't get it, it's like there's an nba style max. Hurts makes 51/year, purdy signed for 53/year and josh allen, who's maybe the best qb in the league signed for 55. It's like if the nba didn't have a max and jokic signed for 50 a year and towns signed for 48.
Also true. He’s about to go the Luck route. But, the talent is there. Just seems like you can’t win in most scenarios unless you’re one of the lucky few franchises
That's exactly what it is, "Who`s Next Up" and it's so frustrating, IMO a guy like Purdy is an OK QB who personally I would not want but it is what it is, when it's your turn to become the next "highest Paid"................buy why? IMO CJ is better than Purdy if you look at pure talent, Jalen Hurts is OK Tua is getting paid $53 million, Trevor and Jordan getting $55 million per year and I still would rather have CJ, I just dont think any of them are worth that MUCH but the league thinks differently and then you fight like hell to put quality around them and b**** when your team sucks because you have so much $$ wrapped up in one player. Dak makes $60 million and he is awesome in the regular season but sucks in the playoffs........make it make sense
I just hate this trend of having to pay so much money to mediocre QBs that are just average (or slightly above) and will more than likely get your team nowhere. That includes Dak, Purdy, Tua, Darnold, Lawrence, Jordan, etc. So far, CJ is falling into that mold and it'll suck, but thats what has happened in the NFL.
Well, I guess it’s time to see how well Mertz performs behind a bad offensive line. If CJ or Mills can’t get the job done, maybe Mertz is the man.
closer to playing at a pro bowl level than a replacement level qb: Adjusted EPA/Play :: Adjusted QBERT Entering Week 10
