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Reed Sheppard is the Rockets’ Franchise Player™

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by J.R., Jun 26, 2024.

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Do you like the selection of Reed Sheppard?

Poll closed Oct 14, 2024.
  1. YES

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  2. NO

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  1. Landry's Tooth

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    Castle this season:
    5.4 Assists
    5.4 turnovers

    You think Ime is running a 1:1 assist to turnover guy out there? Castle would be a bench player here. The spurs defense is also awful when he's on the floor without victor.

    Sounds like a lot of mistakes being masked....
     
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  2. postaboi713

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    So with Reed it’s not a big enough sample size but you then use it against another player because it fits your argument?
     
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    This makes your point even more true, he is allowed to play thru mistakes big time and will be better for it in the future.

     
  4. Corrosion

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    The contract cost would have a lot to do with my answer.

    Jalen on his rookie deal - I take Jalen over Reed.

    Jalen on the extension making $33m .... I'll take Reed and if that doesn't work out, I'll make a deadline move.
     
  5. roslolian

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    We dont have a Wemby but we have a Sengun an Amen and a KD. Not sure why Castles mistakes get masked and Reed's is exposed...
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    With Amen on the team yeah sure Castle would come off the bench. Castle is scoring 61% TS though which means he is almost doubly better than Reed offensively and Castle is def a mich better defender than Reed as well as we all agree he is a lesser Amen.
     
  6. Landry's Tooth

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    Apples to apples. Speaking on your level.

    Castle is also playing a lot more minutes until Fox is there.
     
  7. Landry's Tooth

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    There were 5 games were Jalen Green looked playable too.

    Castle has a negative dbpm for his career. His defensive impact is overrated.
     
  8. Landry's Tooth

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    So I put them in basketball reference comparison. For their careers, Reed and Castle have virtually the same ts% and defensive rebound rate.

    Reed has high rates of blocks (about double) and steals (about a third more) than castle. Both have negative bpm but Reed is less bad. Reed also turns the ball over less by a third.

    Reed has a positive .1 vorp while Castle is in the negatives.

    Would not shock me at all if by the end of the year you come back and apologize for the silly take on Castle.
     
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    How can they have the same TS% when Reed is below 0.500 and Castle is above 60 TS% for the year? On average Reed has similar TS% for both years which is 46.7% while Castle has 52.8%

    https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sheppre01.html

    https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/castlst01.html

    Actually I am not sure why Castle's average is 52.8 when he has 52.2 and 61.5 it should be 56.7%. I guess the averages are based on how many games they have actually played. This would explain why Castle has a bad BPM as his games played increases you will his BPM rise as he is much improved in his 2nd year vs his first unlike Reed.

    I appreciate you continuing to be civil and not resorting to Ad hominems and insults like other Reed fanatics here. I would love to be wrong and eat crow but looking at Reed seems like he is only good vs substandard competition but isnt reliable against truly good teams. Whenever we play Gleague teams he will play a lot and boost his stats but when we play good teams he will flop and get benched so it wouldnt surprise me if his stats get artificially boosted at the end of the year. Its the same **** Udoka will play Reed more when he plays well but posters here will turn it around and say he is being held back. Reed was healthy all of last year why do you think he only got 12 mins? Nobody wants to answer that question just acts like Reed not playing more isnt up to him or isnt his own fault.

    Celtics are coming off back2back and havent been good at all but considering they have an S tier coach would not surprise me if Reed has a bad game once again.
     
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  10. Landry's Tooth

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    Because the year is only 5 games and a tiny amount of their careers. Castle is terrible at free throws so it hurts his ts%.


    https://www.sports-reference.com/st...er_comparison&utm_source=bbr&utm_id=sheppre01
     
  11. MystikArkitect

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    They play different games and are being asked to do different things. Castle is much more in a penetrator sorta Darius Garland role where a larger % of his shot diet is going to come at the rim. Reed has been largely relegated to 3 pointers and long twos. They are actually quite different. Castle is a slasher (idk why the Spurs are stockpiling 3 of the same dude but I digress) and Reed is more of a bouncier CP3 or something. I think Castle will ultimately end up as either a trade piece or a bench player. No way he is a better prospect than either Harper or Fox either. But he *could* be a starter on another team.

    I do think Udoka *was* holding Reed back last year but not this year. He also wouldn't tolerate what Castle does either and this team would be worse with Castle than with Reed. He is a bad shooter and manager (right now) but we also cant say Castle will never learn to shoot while also proclaiming that Amen or Sengun will.
     
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  12. Landry's Tooth

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    Steve Nash played 10 minutes per game his rookie year at 22 years old.

    Maybe you just accept that players progress differently.

    The problem is you're arguing he sucks when he has barely played while everyone else says he needs to get better but we will see.

    One side is sane and logical while the other is irrational and feelings based.

    Castle could get better. He could learn to shoot 35% from 3 and stop turning the ball over. I'm not going to assume it though anymore than I would assume Shaq would get better at free throws with all that practice.
     
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  13. Landry's Tooth

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    True, a little more than 50% of Castle’s attempts are within 10 feet; which is a concern why his fg% is so bad.

    Reed only takes 20% within 10 feet. He's asked to be a shooter though.

    I don't know if Castle is aware because he does still take 5.5 3s per 36 compared to Reed's 7.9.

    Ideally Castle would be closer to 1 or 2.

    Iguodala was smart enough to limit his attempts to 2 or 3 per game. Not sure Castle doesn't have some Westbrook in him...
     
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    Reed has so far played 750 NBA minutes

    By 01/07/2022 Jalen has played 750 NBA minutes 40.1 FG% 32.7 3FG% was your energy as high as this in criticizing him at the time? LOL
     
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    Steve Nash had Kevin Johnson and Jason Kidd in front of him. Context matters.
     
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  16. Landry's Tooth

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    Sure. Like Reed was 19 and Nash was playing at Santa Clara at the same age.

    So stop digging... just some advice...
     
  17. Landry's Tooth

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    They memory holed all negatives on the guy...
     
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    With Jalen we've seen it for stretches, then nothing for a few games. With Reed its one game then nothing for stretches. That's concerning.

    We ALL want to see it from Reed but when I look back at his college stats, I see too many games of 0, 3, 6, and 7 pts from a guard who played over 20 mins in those games.

    I still want to know what Stone and Ime we're looking at when they drafted him with the 3rd pick. What he was then, he is now....inconsistent! I compared Reed's college game log to JJ Reddick's and there are no comparison. JJ scored in double digits in every game; 20, 25, 35 and 40pts....to me that's a CONSISTENT SHOOTER.

    If Reed were JJ, I would have NO issues.
     
  19. MystikArkitect

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    Issue with Castle is that he's way too small to not be able to shoot. So if he doesn't shoot, what does he do? Play the Rajon Rondo role? He kinda has no choice. He isnt Amen, Ausar or Iggy. Hes not big enough. His numbers are actually pretty bad and I cant imagine what he would do here. Doesn't take care of the ball and cant shoot either so he'd just be a waste of space. He'd compress the floor for everyone else (like Amen does right now) and you dont get any of the Amen or Sengun upside either. We'll see how the Spurs look when they play a real opponent.

    Going back and if the Rockets were to *not* draft Reed the next best option was Risacher but he went #1.
     
  20. Hemingway

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    There is a world where both Castle and Reed suck. It is actually the world we live in now, but the world is always changing. Just how rapidly it can change is the key argument here. For both Reed and Castle, the change better be fast. It needs to be fast for Reed, because the Rockets need him to perform well this year. For Castle, it needs to be fast, because he has Harper and Fox to contend with.
     

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