Many Americans of both parties seem to not be very supportive of this proposed new war. Remembering the Iraq Wars, the US public after Vietnam was not originally enthusiastic about Iraq War I, Kuwait's border integrity or Saddam having more oil, but focus groups showed only strong support if Sadddam had wmd's that he could use to obliterate Americans at home. Hence the WMD hoax. Anybody remember how Saddam could float over a dirigible with a dirty bomb or a suitcase sized dirty bomb in the NYC harbor etc.? I assume our rulers are running focus groups to gin up a propaganda camapaign to create more support for the Venezuelan -Columbian War if possible. WMD from poor Venezuela seems to be a non-starter. Wars all over the world to create democracies is not cutting it any longer among many Americans, given Iraq and Afghanistan. Aside from wanting to control Venezuela's oil, another major reason for the war is that China has been buying more and more oil from Venezuela as it has developed some refineries that can handle the Venezuelan heavy crude. This allows Venezuela to resist our illegal sanctions and to sell Chinese products in OUR HEMISPHERE!!. It is sort of strange that the whole ChiComs in Venezuela and then Mexico and then crossing the Mexican border has not been emphasized yetm. After all Venezuela is closer than Taiwan for which many seem ready for a multi-trillion cold war or maybe even for a nuclear war. The pro-war elite seem to think fentanyl as the sort of new WMD can carry the day by itself.
Obama did not support the coup against Zelaya. He spoke out against it. He upset Zelaya because when the coup appeared that it would be successful, Obama opened up communications with the coup leaders. I think that Obama's foreign policy was mediocre, but he wasn't pushing out Zelaya.
Such overall ignorance from this right wing elitist. The bulk of Venezuelans were poor and prior to Chavez iliterate. We had some friends, both Doctors from Venezuelans. They disliked Chavez so much they arranged trips home around elections to vote against him. The man, who who did not come from as rich a family as his wife told me privately outside of his wife's hearing, that he blamed the rich of Venezuela for Chavez as he had been completely appalled by a year long internship he had done among pathetically impoverished, illiterate Venezuelans.
Yeah - Venezuela is on the list of "worse places for USA to invade and win". Between the location next to multiple other nations, relations with China, impact on oil around the world, large population and likely causing other uprisings in South and Central America. Would be a logistics nightmare and it isn't on the other side of the world where we can just wash our hands and go home. Either support Maduro and get all of the economic benefits of exploiting the nation - but deal with the backlash from Americans and Europeans - or move on and worry about actually doing something in the USA like rebuilding the infrastructure and providing better medical and more affordable educational opportunities for actual Americans.
I normally would be too. I think Iran and Syria are perfect examples of what we are likely in store for. Some sort of big production for 24 hours, and then Trump declares victory and moves on. As you said... TACO. However the oil situation is where I think this situation is different from a push from the oil and gas oligarch perspective as well as two other items we need to not look over as well: -Trump murdering 3-dozen fisherman already -Trump openly opining on whether being at war gives him the power to cancel elections On the first part, it shows he's already gone further than he went with Iran, and Syria. There's little evidence in those cases that he really caused much damage or killed anyone other than Soleimani with Iran. Something Israel was going to do anyways. These killings are already giving predicate for Venezuela to attack the US, and respond with a pretty violent response. Far more violent than Iran and Syria would have the predicate to respond with themselves. And the last part I think is key. Trump is fixated on staying in power right now. It's all he seems to want to talk about, and he's doing everything he can to make us well aware that he has no intention of leaving power. I don't personally think a war with Venezuela gives him that power, but I for sure think that he thinks it could. I think he is being told by Marco Rubio and the Oil and Gas people that overthrowing Maduro is easy, and they'll be in and out of there in a couple weeks. The Nobel Peace prize stunt from the Venezuela opposition leader trying to manipulate him into taking out Maduro was also not helpful. Hopefully this is a TACO Trump moment like with Iran and Syria, but we'll see. I feel like this one is different.
Lol. Capitalism has served me well breh. For the last 15 years, I pour my heart and soul into investing. The fruits of my labor are the 5000 plus apartment doors(units) that I own amongst other things that I have invested in. I’m in my late 40s and I don’t have to work another day of my life but I still wake up every day at 5:45 am so that I can put in my hustle for that day. I know for sure that I’m more qualified to speak about capitalism than you. I started out just like almost everyone I knew, get an education, get a good job, but those things are never a guarantee for a good life. I live in the greatest country in the world that can make virtually any dreams come true provided that you do your hustle and paying your dues. You’re a socialist dude so I know you would not comprehend capitalism and America.
Spoiler Come on, sport -- what would you say to nice helpings of hate-thy-neighbor and punish-thine-critics, with sides of increasing prices and accelerating job losses!! Who's with me!
Venezulea maybe the sponsors of the Next 9/11 level event If we keep this up If China backs them . . . .. it would be worse than Vietnam Rocket River
How Far. . . . and how incompetent So Kidnapping people in our own streets is not enough We trying to kidnap foreign leaders????? What the entire F!?!?!? If we get him . . .when what? Guantanamo? Rocket River
We boycott them selling oil which makes them desperately poor. Capitalist Crixus see for instance Saudi Arabia, also incredibly oil rich as not desperately poor as they are capitalist.
In fairness, Maduro isn't the rightful leader of Venezuela. But it isn't exactly like there is a good track record of success for the US getting involved in regime changes.
There is absolutely nothing that isn’t accurate that I heard in that clip. Venezuela was a relatively wealthy country. Venezuela is now an extremely poor country and human rights violations are common. Some of the poverty is from US sanctions, but it is also true that Maduro is a corrupt dictator. Having said all of that - the USA doesn’t need to be trying to go to war with Venezuela or kidnapping Maduro.
Maduro is a corrupt dictator and doesn’t have the support of the Venezuelan people. He also doesn’t report the majority of crime in his country so it isn’t just poor, it is one of, if not the most violent countries in the world. Still - it isn’t the USA’s responsibility to attempt to force regime change.
