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No flow to our offense

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by bratna8, Oct 24, 2025 at 11:26 PM.

  1. James Harden Stepback 3

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    Dude have you seen the spurs? They are going to dominate the nba for the next 10 yearz
     
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    Yeah, Wemby is scary good. He's taking great shots now and he's just incredible on the defensive end.

    He should be one of the top contenders in the MVP race this year and for many years to come.
     
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    I'm sure their jumpers are improved but as far as the opponent is concerned we're playing 3 guys (Adams/Sengun/Amen) who probably shot a combined 25% from 3 last season.

    Opponents just pack the paint and make it impossible on the ball handlers to get to the rim. So we end up living and dying by 3pters and the opponent will never leave Jabari or Durant open from 3 but will freely cheat off the other 3. We need Amen and Sengun to make 3's in this offense.

    Rebounds are just not as valuable as 3's no matter how much you double down. It's just math.

    Start Holiday or Okogie if Reed is not ready but Adams should go back to the bench. It was worth experimenting with this lineup, I get it.
     
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    100% agree with you, you just can’t play such lineup in today’s basketball. Even if Reed or Okagie are not the best 5th player in our rotation, it will be better for our starting lineup to get a little bit smaller, but with higher ability to space the floor.
     
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    Adams and Sengun being on the floor together is causing problems on both sides of the floor. Amen and Sengun do need to hit their 3’s to help our offense, but I don’t think that is the biggest issue. Amen is getting to the rim pretty regularly despite our poor shooting. He just needs some time to figure out when to pass and when to shoot. I think he should be more aggressive in trying to score and less concerned with getting his teammates involved like a traditional PG. He is not a traditional PG, but he doesn’t need to be. Sengun’s 3 pt shooting is better and he needs to continue to take that shot without hesitation. We played 2 of the best defensive teams in the league to start the season with a lineup that has had virtually no time to gel and scored 115 and 111 in regulation which is not great, but not horrible either.

    Adams and Sengun playing together along with a 37 year old has greatly impacted our defense. Fans always concentrate on the offensive side of the ball. Plugging a better defensive SG into the lineup (Okogie for now) will have a much greater impact on winning than hitting a few more 3’s and sucking even more at defense. Reed, Tari, DFS, and Adams can be a good bench unit over time. Ime lost his crutch in FVV. Stone needs to figure out how to get him some help on the offensive side of the ball, whether it be players or coaching.
     
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    Delete.
     
  7. rockets1995

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    JD Davison deserves more minutes over Tari Eason, Josh Okogie, Steven Adams.

    Ime Udoka mentally so outdated has this Fool ever seen Mike Dantoni 7 Second Offense ever.

    Iso and Over Defense ruins the Team Offensive Flow.
     
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    I literally can't watch games anymore. It is brain rot to watch this disaster of a Coach Ime Udoka.

    Mike Dantoni, Rick Adelman, Rudy Tomjanovich had so much ball movement from every part of the court.
     
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    Yeah, I noticed (along with the rest of you?) in the preseason that our 3 point defense was ass. And I don't mean "Onlyfans ass", I mean, "60 year-old spanked with a paddle cellulite ass". And it's continued into the regular season.
     
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    So far, the Rockets are 24th on offense and 26th on TS%.

    Small sample size. No need to panic. But the offense in the first two games didn't go very well. Too many guys playing in new roles.
     
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    We need to start Reed or Holiday because we need spacing and another guy who can dribble in the starting lineup. We need to start Holiday if our goal is to win games.

    Spacing will improve some when DFS is available.

    Having Adams in the paint prevents us from optimising what Amen and Sengun do well offensively.

    We're a good team whose coach will make some adjustments.
     
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    The Sengun and Adams lineup has been a plus in both games. While I am skeptical of its use long-term and the defense has been iffy so far, it is not causing problems on both sides of the court as the offense has been good. Teams have tried going small against it, but the Rockets' bigs have scored over smaller players for a decent TS%, and the offensive rebounding has been plus plus.
     
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    Best take on this topic. There is a lot of overreaction after 2 games. One loss was double overtime on the road against the best team in basketball.

    Ime has to figure out a way to make the offense work without having competent NBA point guard. Amen or Reed are currently applying for the job. If they can't figure it out, we'll trade for a new PG after December 15th.

    This roster worked really well last season and will work even better with the Jalen to KD upgrade. There will be some adjustments that need to be made. In a few months, we'll look like a contender again.
     
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    LOL this is factually just not true at all. Our offense is **** because there’s no space to operate in the paint with Adams there and our guys have no space to cut, cannot be trusted with their handles so you need 4 shooters around Adams for it to work. Sengun should be in his spot instead, since Adams is also no threat at all besides putting up a shot after a miss. He literally cannot do anything else, like take a shot, dribble etc.
     
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    Our OffRtg of the past two games is 109.3, 24th in the league, even with top notch offensive rebounding. TS% is at 54.7.

    How can you say it's good?
     
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    I think our team will be fine eventually but I'm desperately afraid we're going to end up like the Grizzlies. From promising to mediocre in just a couple years.

    OKC looks good as ever this year. They prob end up #1 seed again. Personally I think they repeat.

    Warriors and Lakers look fine despite Lakers having injuries to Luka and Lebron. Austin Reaves is a menace when it comes to drawing fouls. He's like a role player that gets superstar whistles. Warriors are good but a long season might cause them to have injuries.

    Spurs are on a mission as well.. Wemby is quite unstoppable right now but they do have a pretty easy schedule so far so we'll see how they fare further down the line. Their first challenge in the season will actually be against us, ironically. Hopefully we get our **** together before then.

    Nuggets & Wolves, I haven't watched them play yet but I'm sure these will be the teams in the mix for top 6. A ****ing bloodbath for sure.
     
  17. Joe Joe

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    Double big Offensive rating is 118 and TS% is 57.2 while the Rockets have played 2 Top 10 defenses. It is very Easy to say that the double big has been a good offense. Whether it continues to be, who knows.

    This is all narrative. The Rockets have scored very well with the double big. Whether it continues, who knows, as it is a small sample...though last year offense was good as well. Acting like the Rockets aren't scoring well with the double big just is not factual and narratives just don't change that. Points scored after an offensive rebound count. It isn't aesthetically pleasing to some. I just don't know how people can watch a game and not notice the ball go in the basket. A possession doesn't end with a missed field goal unless the other team secures the rebound.
     
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    Yes and No...we're exerting too much energy at the beginning of the games to score and then we're too gassed to close out our opponents in the 4th quarters. Thats why I think our defense is not as sharp these first 2 games because the offense is not fluid and more energy is being exerted to getting open looks
     
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    There is no spacing! None!
     
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    Scoring doesn’t equal our offense being good.
     

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