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[WaPo] Trump plans $200M overhaul of East Wing in significant change to White House

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  1. Andre0087

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    He's an arsehole, what's new? Old fossils like him don't care because they've already obtained their piece of the American pie. When it all really goes to hell he'll probably be dead, gone, and forgotten like his posts here in the D&D.
     
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    "Limiting loan forgiveness to $10,000, as President Biden has proposed, would cost about $373 billion" lol dumbass MAGA boomers

    Hes such a slimy pos. Spent the past 4 years claiming political corruption was the biggest issue in American history but now he runs to defend Trumps grifts while he steals billions from the treasury
     
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    still plenty of savings to pay for the ballroom AND the Sno Cross track ;)
     
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    Let's see... the title of this thread--you know, the one you created--is "[WaPo] Trump plans $200M overhaul of East Wing in significant change to White House." That's a specific subject you yourself offered up. You did not title the thread "Unilateral actions that people either complain about or don't complain about." If you want to start that thread, I may engage with you on the student loan thing, but in this thread, I'll stick to the subject.
     
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    whatever. you brought up a speculative cost of a billion dollars and stated flatly "we will end up paying for it":
    I am suggesting the money will come from what we saved when the Supreme Court ruled against Biden's student loan forgiveness program.
     
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    I predict in the future it will be the Truman ballroom because it will be easy to rename it from Trump.

    Trump TrumX Truman

    I keep hearing the next administration should tear it down and restore the east wing. This is ridiculous, it would be just another colossal waist of money. If it is allowed to be built just rename it and be done with it. The Truman part is a joke but no way I let the Trump name be on this building.
     
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    So it is not coming from private donations and Trump's own pockets, right? I guess we are in agreement.
     
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    Are we suppose to vote on it or something?

    What the hell are you talking about asking the American public how they feel about a White House renovation? Has that ever been done before and if so how?

    Apparently talks of a larger space to host events at the White House have been around forever and are bipartisan in nature.

    Leftists just oppose this because they oppose anything Trump does or suggests.
     
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    Our government is shutdown inflicting economic harm, we fired a sht ton of federal workers b/c of wasteful "governement spending" and cut federal programs yet somehow u are fine with the administration wasting money on essentially a vanity project.

    We are getting taxed more, our federal benefits r getting reduced, currently experiencing a government shutdown but now its the perfect time to do this stupid construction project.

    Conservatives get triggered about biden trying to provide student loan forgiveness to our citizens, but wasting money on jets, the white house and countries like argentina? Crickets.

    Stop being a trump bootlicker.
     
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    in agreement only if your original speculation turns out to be correct
     
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/25/opinion/trump-white-house-demolition-ballroom.html

    Opinion
    Ross Douthat
    Why Trump’s East Wing Demolition Needed to Happen
    Oct. 25, 2025
    By Ross Douthat
    Opinion Columnist

    The controversial public building is ugly and intimidating, architectural vainglory battening on presidential ego, inappropriate to its setting, unmoored from memory and tradition.

    I’m talking, naturally, about Barack Obama’s unfinished presidential center, currently looming like a Star Wars barracks over the residents of Chicago’s South Side.

    Admittedly it’s not the most important architectural controversy involving an American president at the moment. But how you think about Donald Trump’s demolition of the White House’s East Wing to make way for a large neo-Classical ballroom should be connected to how you feel about the Obama megalith and the larger urban-progressive approach to public building.

    Trump being Trump, the ballroom project is proceeding without much external consultation and with a whiff of private-donor corruption. But many of the complaints from outraged liberals are more historical and aesthetic, accusing Trump of bulldozing American heritage to build something crass and gaudy in its place.

    And those arguments illustrate a consistent problem with progressive stewardship of American cities, which mixes admirable impulses toward aesthetic preservation with two related failures: a failure to make room for the necessity of substantial development and change and a failure to apply the same aesthetic sensibility to new developments that it applies to older ones.

    Put more simply, progressives and urban institutions are good at protecting architectural beauty where it already exists, lousy at making sure that new development happens on a reasonable timeline and consistently terrible at encouraging loveliness in the developments that do get built.

    The case for Trump’s ballroom is connected to these failures. First, it is simply good to build a White House ballroom, the presidency has needed one for a long time, and it’s absurd that the leader of a superpower has to host state dinners inside temporary tents.

    No doubt there was a more careful and sensitive way to pursue the project. But exquisite care and sensitivity are part of the reason that, in so many liberal-leaning jurisdictions, apartment towers, power plants and high-speed rail lines vanish into developmental limbo. It’s just a small example of why Trump’s bull-in-a-china-shop approach appeals; the president’s eagerness to pre-empt objections and just do something that seems necessary is part of why voters find him attractive.

    This defense of the White House ballroom could be adapted from the school of “abundance” liberalism (associated with my colleague Ezra Klein), with its critique of blue-state inertia. But there is another issue besides bureaucratic sclerosis that makes it hard for left-leaning jurisdictions to overcome opposition to new building: namely, the widely shared awareness that when development happens under progressives auspices, it is often soul-crushingly unattractive.

    This is not to say that there exists a major school of bold, beautiful and innovative conservative architecture (the most beautiful cities in America are zones of left-leaning preservation, and right-wing America often prefers the utilitarian and tacky), nor that you should trust Trump in particular to be especially tasteful. I would like to live in a world where American architecture somehow picked up where Art Nouveau and Art Deco left off, and the Trump administration’s preference for neo-Classical styles feels cautious and derivative even before you get to Trump’s own impulse to put the gilt in Gilded Age.

    But gilt can always be stripped off. The general design of the Trump ballroom — if you look at the actual sketches, not the social-media caricatures — is perfectly in keeping with the character of the White House complex, and if there’s any place where a cautious classicalism is appropriate, it’s at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. So in the end Trump’s architectural legacy will probably be a useful building, built expeditiously, that looks, if not dazzling, at least appropriate, pleasing, fine.

    Whereas the pattern of normal building in our progressive cities, with the careful supervision of planning commissions and the input of bodies that supposedly represent the accumulated wisdom of the architectural profession, regularly produces results that range from the banal and forgettable to the actively offensive. Like the restaurant that disappoints people with terrible food and small portions, our progressive urbanism doesn’t build enough buildings and makes the ones it does build ugly.

    Like, say, the new Obama tower. To read about the localist and anti-gentrification arguments against its construction is to encounter the kind of NIMBY special pleading that so often derails necessary development. But it’s also to encounter an important reason NIMBYism has so many partisans.

    It’s not just because of an aversion to crowding or extra foot traffic or rising rents. It’s also because no matter how tight the link between progress and development, it just doesn’t feel like progress to live under a baleful shadow like the one that Obama’s presidential monument will cast.




     
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    Can the people cut by DOGE perform the construction work? Get some use out of them after they defrauded taxpayers with non-essential work for years!


    GOOD DAY
     
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    External stairways to nowhere are a tried and true medieval method of confusing invaders. Best to plan appropriately for a turbulent future.
     
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    It's not like Trump's a fan of stairways to begin with
     
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