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[2023 NFL Draft/1-2] C.J. Stroud, QB, Ohio State

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by J.R., Apr 27, 2023.

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Do you like the selection of C.J. Stroud?

Poll closed Sep 11, 2023.
  1. YES

    84.4%
  2. NO

    15.6%
  1. Sooty

    Sooty Member

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    Oh he’s great. I never said he was bad and my top two prospects out of 2024. I was surprised he got bad press leading up to the draft and my pre draft thoughts/posts are consistent with this.
     
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  2. cmoak1982

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    You have zero objectivity lol.
    He is absolutely not a first read QB.
    You make every excuse in the world when CJ plays bad but knock others when they’re clearly playing better.
     
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  3. cmoak1982

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    And, the first people to bring up Maye in here were who I was talking to.
     
  4. raining threes

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    Just because Maye's been better than CJ for the last 1 1/2 years doesn't mean that I'm not a Texans fan or I'm going to become a Pats fan. Or that I dont think CJ cant improve.
     
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  6. Buck Turgidson

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    Maye has more waggle, so that sets him apart
     
  7. TheRealist137

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    it does mean that you don't know what you are talking about tho

    "Maye has been better than CJ for 1.5 years"

    Last year, Maye won one game, lost 10. The two games that the Pats won, he only had 6 total pass attempts. I think he got hurt in those games. Somehow, the Pats won games only when Maye got knocked out of the game. His only win was against the terrible Bears.

    Glazing a dude that one one game his whole rookie season, over CJ Stroud who won 10 games + a playoff game, is pretty damn hilarious. That's why people say you're a hater because of how preposterous it is.
     
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  8. raining threes

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    You do realize before the last 2 games CJ has been rated as the worst QB in the NFL over the last 13 games? Being a CJ fan doesn't mean that you have to tear other QB's down. BTW, the Pats didn't/dont have the defense the Texans do either.
     
  9. cmoak1982

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    You keep using that word, did you just make it up?
     
  10. cmoak1982

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    This comes across as intentionally disingenuous.
    The talent around CJ is miles better than any the Pats have had. You know that.
    I’m all for having wins as a QB stat but there is gray areas and qualifiers as well.
     
  11. TheRealist137

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    disingenuous is thinking stats from a 1-10 QB is the same as stats from a 10-7 QB. How many exotic looks were they giving Maye, how many soft coverages were they giving him. There is no high level strategy needed when playing a bad team like the Pats last year. Let's also look at level of competition. Stroud was doing this against a first place schedule, Chiefs Ravens Bills. Even this year, Drake Maye has not played a good team. The Bills just got beat by Penix
     
  12. Buck Turgidson

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    No, but you or the other guy sure did.
     
  13. cmoak1982

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    Sorry Buck, you’ve been misusing a word that was never uttered
     
  14. cmoak1982

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    Stroud wasn’t good last year-at all.
    He was helped by the talent more than he helped that talent.
    Maye was literally all they had last year.

    And this year, who have we beat? Our two wins are against two of the worst teams in the league and one defense that is all time level bad.

    I get it, I also want the Texans to be better. I want CJ to be better. But I don’t think it’s really a debate who’s doing better this year or even last year-specially when situations are factored in.

    And to be fair, you were one of the main ones that said Maye would not be good and that CJ would be clearly better.
     
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  15. Buck Turgidson

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    While he's crapping on Stroud, the "they" he's talking about are Levis and Richardson

    Proper evaluation.
     
  16. cmoak1982

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    No one is crapping on Stroud.
    I’ve defended his poor play recently.

    Dont get me mad because you made up a word and have spammed it constantly looking like an idiot for 2 years now.

    And, you need to know what the term upside means.
     
  17. tmacfor35

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    I mean openly saying that. Just shows you are a fantasy football box score watcher. Drake hasn't done anything in this league and even the former NFL Qb's who have gone through his tape has shared the same sentiment that I am. Also partly where my commentary is coming from.

    There is levels to the game.

    Patriots schedule with their rankings defensively on the season:

    Raiders- 23rd
    Miami- 29th
    Pittsburgh- 16th
    Panthers-21
    Bills- 17th
    Saints- 25th

    Average Ranking- Bottom 3rd defense.
    Tape- First Read Qb, leaves pocket to run or throw.
    On Target Throw %- 26th

    Texans

    Jaguars-7th
    Tampa- 24th
    Tenn- 26th
    Ravens-31st
    Rams- 3rd

    Average Ranking- Middle of the pack defense
    Tape- Full read Qb, scrambles to throw, will run if nothing is there.
    On Target Throw %- 6th.

    This isn't fantasy football but go on please. Please explain to me how the tape is worse, he beat 1 team last year and is now been better for a year and a half. This negative agenda is absolute bonkers or better known as brain dead.
     
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  18. cmoak1982

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    And they lost against the only defenses that were good.
    You are just so disingenuous, not even worth talking to
     
  19. cmoak1982

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    Also, none of your analysis is remotely accurate.
    It’s your opinion.

    Stroud has had one good game and one good quarter against the Titans this season.
    We are -13 in point differential with the best scoring defense in the league outside of Baltimore and Tennessee’s games.

    I’ll give it to you though, you are extremely good at making excuses.
     
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  20. showa13

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    So Drake Maye can only be good if CJ is not good? Can CJ be good so Drake can be bad? I’m confused as to why both can’t be good? Young QBs go through growing pains. Both are learning new systems. Drake has been better against lesser competition and very consistent regardless, but CJs ravens game looked better than Drake at any point this season. Both are good, young growing QBs.
     
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