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What will it take to make you seriously consider an EV?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by jiggyfly, Mar 31, 2021.

  1. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    A company that has declining sales and earnings at 200 p/e valuation doesn't really trade on any fundamentals. But betting against Papa Elon hasn't worked either.
     
  2. Space Ghost

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    Tesla is falling behind. Waymo is expanding its market.

     
  3. rimrocker

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    LOL. That's correct, the media would kill Tesla if one drove on a golf course. Not because it drove on a golf course, but because it would have been going 75 mph and crashing into carts stuffed with golf bros. Waymo is just out there creeping along and minding its own business.
     
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    I went with my dad to pick up his 2026 Tesla Model Y LR AWD last week and it was my first time in a Juniper and first time with FSD.

    We drove it back from Austin to Houston. Putting aside the politics, the car was impressive.

    The cabin was a bit quieter than my 2023 ID4. I think wind noise is similar, but Tesla did a great job with the road noise. Handling was fine, but felt bigger and floatier than my ID4. I enjoyed the 'sweeping' ac vents setting. Ventilated seats are nice, but felt pretty weak compared to some other vented seats I've used.

    Efficiency was great, we picked it up at 60% and could have made it home with 5% if we pushed it. That's an estimated range of about 270 miles on the highway. That's considerably better than my ID4 that can probably get 220 miles on the highway with about the same size battery.

    FSD was very impressive. It was confident in navigating the highway though sometimes it would drive slower than how I would drive and it changes lanes more often than I like. Somehow it was simultaneously more and less aggressive than I would be. It's still pretty good though and I would definitely use it if I had it. FSD was able to navigate it self off the highway, go through a roundabout, and park at a charging stall (albeit crookedly) at Buc-ee's.

    Overall FSD was more impressive than I expected. Though we did have one disengagement because there was a shredded 18 wheeler tire on the road and FSD either didn't see it or it had deemed that the tire was okay to run over. So my dad had to jerk the car at the last second to avoid running over it. I think this is going to be an issue for all self driving tech for quite a while longer. FSD can perfect for 99% of the time, but that last 1% is going to be extremely challenging. I wish there is some kind of large HUD system that creates an augmented reality display that shows the car's intentions. Part of the issue is the driver having to look down at the display and determine out if the car sees the obstruction. That takes seconds that the driver often don't have to make a quick decision to takeover or not.

    Overall, the car was very impressive, but with FSD, it was also $22,000 more than what I paid for my low trim RWD ID4 Pro. It's not worth $22,000 more than my car, but if I would take it over a fully decked out ID4 that can also go up to high $50k.
     
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  5. Dr of Dunk

    Dr of Dunk Clutch Crew

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    This part in the review caught my eye. At least your dad did the right thing. I say this because of the video making rounds the past couple of weeks below. I don't know why people want to "test" these technologies on the road especially with the volume of crap on the roads nowadays (mostly blown out big rig tires from what I've seen on weekly trips up and down I-45) not to mention others driving next to them.

     
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  6. Buck Turgidson

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    As if owning a cybertruck isn't enough of a "look at me!" move, dude I saw today had his painted bright red
     
  7. Dr of Dunk

    Dr of Dunk Clutch Crew

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    or you can just buy a used one for even cheaper. i am sure what the purpose of this model is...
     
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  9. Sajan

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    exactly what i thought of when he wrote that paragraph.
     
  10. DaDakota

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    Telo MT1 is what I am going to get.

    DD
     
  11. Sajan

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    https://insideevs.com/news/775172/2027-chevrolet-bolt-range-price-revealed/

    2027 Chevy Bolt: Meet America's Cheapest New EV
    The reborn Chevrolet Bolt gets a compelling $28,995 price tag and much better range and charging specs than before.

    2027 Bolt
    255 miles of GM Est. Range
    10-80% in 26 minutes (GM claimed 3X Faster Charging than Outgoing Model)
    Native NACS
    Launch Edition starting at $29,990
    LT Trim coming later at $28,995
     
  12. rimrocker

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    Just got the 20,000 mile service for my Mustang Mach-E, which consisted of changing the cabin air filter and rotating the tires. With the cost of electricity increasing (thanks AI), maintenance costs are still a big plus for EVs.
     
  13. Space Ghost

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    For who?

    That is a 5'8" dude. How are you going to fit in that tonka toy?
     
  14. DaDakota

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    I am buying up 5 year old Solar panels for a DIY driveway and garage cover.....gonna get up to 15-20kw I think..just have to convince the wifey....

    DD
     
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    Considering every single previous Chevy Bolt was recalled because of a serious battery defect, it's hard to take this seriously. Hopefully GM learned from the experience and gets it right this time.

    The price point is great. Native NACS is essential. One very important thing we don't know is the production numbers. They lost ~$10K per vehicle on the previous version because it never reached anything close to scale production. The fact GM won't say likely means they don't plan to scale it soon, if ever.
     
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  16. DaDakota

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    https://www.byd.com/us

    Whenever these go for sale in the US it will readjust everything they run about 15k.

    DD
     
  17. Dr of Dunk

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    Ask yourself what's stopping them from already being here? Buffett invested in them around 20 years ago and banked on that investment (he cashed out earlier this year after making something like 20x on his investment). Yet ... still not here. Hmm ...
     
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  18. cheke64

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    How much is that going to cost?
     
  19. Sajan

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    GMs selling quite a few of the Lyriq/Optiq/Blazer/Equinox EVs....
     
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    It appears that they will use their current Technology for the Reborn Bolt rather than Tech from the past.

    GM unveils new Chevy Bolt – same package, new battery, low $29k price

    GM has unveiled the new version of the Chevy Bolt, its popular, affordable EV with an upgraded battery and an otherwise very similar package to its last iteration, and we’re on the scene at a special event for Bolt owners at Universal Studios Hollywood to get you all the info you need.

    The Chevy Bolt was originally released in the 2017 model year. It was GM’s first real, modern effort at an EV, designed to be all-electric rather than a compliance car like the old Chevy Spark EV. (GM did previously design the EV1 from the ground up, but it came along before the lithium ion era of EVs, and was decidedly a compliance car).

    It was also a great car. Not only was it a good size unlike the ridiculous land yachts we’re seeing so many of today, it had a phenomenal price, especially near the end of the model’s life. It was good enough to be Electrek’s vehicle of the year for 2022.

    But, due to an extended recall and because the Bolt used GM’s first-gen EV platform, rather than its whiz-bang new “Ultium” battery system, GM retired the vehicle in late 2023, even though it was having its best sales year ever.

    But, that wasn’t the end for the model. After declaring the Bolt dead but before ending production on it, GM said that it would bring back an Ultium-based Chevy Bolt (which our publisher Seth Weintraub has taken to calling the “Boltium”).

    And now, it’s finally time for the official unveiling, and we’re on hand at Universal Studios Hollywood for a “Bolt Block Party” showing off the new vehicle.

    Meet the new Bolt, same as the old Bolt
    When Chevy retired the Bolt and said they would bring it back later, we expected it to be similar, but perhaps not this similar. From the exterior, the new Bolt and the old Bolt EUV are nearly indistinguishable.

    The front fascia is slightly modified with a black line between the headlights and no black border around the fake grille, and the rear has different taillights (placed higher up, a big demand from Bolt owners), and slightly more paint on the bumper. That’s about it. But we knew all that already, after seeing it charging in public last week.

    Now we’re getting information on the interior and specs, which are the juicy updates we were hoping to hear changes on.

    GM hasn’t publicized 0-60 times yet, but the Bolt will use the same motor as the Equinox EV, which gives 210hp. That’s about the same as the previous Bolt, and it weighs a similar amount, so we’re imagining similar performance as the 6-ish seconds 0-60 of the previous Bolt – peppy and more than enough for any daily needs, just certainly not a sportscar.

    In particular, the original Bolt’s main technical limitation was its low DC charge speed. It maxed out at 50kW, but often was even slower than that. In a world where many vehicles can now charge at 200kW+ speeds, the new Bolt needed an update.

    Thankfully, it got one. The new Bolt is now capable of a 150kW charge rate, with a 10-80% charge in 26 minutes. GM says this is about three times faster than the previous generation. And it has plug & charge support too.

    This is due to a new 65kWh LFP battery (with cells supplied by CATL, though it sounds like GM wants to start making LFP cells in the US). The previous Bolt used LG cells, and was built before GM developed Ultium. This led the Bolt to be the only vehicle in GM’s EV stable on a different technology, and is what necessitated its retirement and retooling.

    Not only does the Bolt charge faster, it also has new discharging capabilities… in the form of bidirectional charging. The new Bolt supports GM Energy’s V2H home products, and can offload power at 9.6kW(!).

    However, in terms of V2L onboard power, there are no 120V plugs available, your only options to power devices are the included USB-C ports (2 front data+power, 2 rear power only).

    The new battery also offers 255 miles of range (GM estimate, which may be conservative). That’s a bit more than the 247 miles of the outgoing EUV, which is nice, plus you can charge to 100% every night because it’s LFP. But the DC charge speeds are really the bigger story here. Faster DC charge rates enable more seamless roadtrips.

    Further enabling those roadtrips is the Bolt’s new NACS port, allowing it to use the Tesla Supercharger network. An adapter is still available to use on CCS networks, but Superchargers are typically a better experience, and the whole industry is moving in that direction at this point....



    --More of the writeup and pictures at the Link.--

     

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