The Official President Trump Thread - Second Term Edition

He did? I didn’t realize that.

I get where you're coming from (been there). Let's first be clear that the executive branch is exercising power in fascist ways. But that's not the same as the gov now being a fascist gov.

There's a strategic reason to be accurate. If you can't differentiate between a fascist executive and a fully fascist gov, most Americans can't either. When you tell people "we're already in fascism" while they can still vote, go about their daily routines, and voice opinions freely, they don't get alarmed. They redefine fascism. They think, "Fascism? Huh, I'm still doing okay. So fascism isn't so bad after all." They don't know or remember what real fascism looked like in Nazi Germany or Mussolini's Italy. That actually causes people to normalize fascism itself, which is extremely dangerous. The slow boil works when people think they're already at the bottom and it's tolerable.

Being precise helps: "The executive branch is acting in fascist ways. Here are concrete examples. And if the gov goes full fascist, THIS is what you will lose." That cuts through. It shows people what's actually at stake and where we're headed... which is exponentially much worse than where we are now.

ps I mentioned federalism as a structural advantage against fascism. Here's another. This country was founded by people escaping a king who refused to give them rights. America is rooted in freedom and liberty, but many people are so busy and distracted they don't realize those are at stake. That sentiment is there to be tapped, but it needs to be tapped with precision, not with language that accidentally normalizes the very threat we're trying to warn against.

 

LOL. Well, there it is. Mask off.

 

Rocket River

 

@Nook totally normal stuff happening in your state

 

It's not a new or mask off situation, he's said it for years now. Democracy can interfere with the pure libertarian dream world because people could vote for non libertarian ideals, which would be unacceptable.

 

Nothing normal about any of this.

 

Isn't authoritarianism worse? Democracy is the best chance to have and maintain a free society with all the benefits that come with it. Maybe I'm missing something here...

 

These aren't the parameters being thought through, if you guys are trying to understand where he's coming from.

More libertarian = better, regardless if it's implemented through democracy, or a dictatorship, or AI, or whatever. Whatever puts the ultimate libertarian society in place and leaves it untouched is whats preferred. Humans in a democracy tend change things frequently, and tend to vote for non libertarian processes, which are deal breakers in that crafted worldview.

From my understanding of talking to the guy, and all.

 

Thanks for the explanation, still doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Sounds more like a religion than political ideology...

 

Where does this idea that democracy is bad in libertarian circles come from? I know tech billionaires like Peter Thiel that follow Curtis Yarvin have said as much.

 

it isnt bad, it is heavily flawed.

we are not a democracy. We are a Republic.

 

Okay.... well tell me then how a society chooses to implement the libertarian policies that you desire to become accepted practice??

How does good governance and society happen then? If the people aren't allowed to choose then how does this eutopia become reality?? If a democratic process isn't in place then who chooses the leader that shepherds these policies?? How does that leader stay accountable not just to the society they govern but also the theoretical libertarian principles you are hoping and praying that this leader enacts??

 

A District Attorney that isn't crazy about democracy, gonna go ahead and dip on out now...

 

Cmon my dude. ICE is breaking into people's apartments with no warrant or probable cause and hes out here defending them. Libertarians are usually obsessed with the 4th amendment but suddenly he sees no problem with the government breaking into your apartment with no cause.

No core ideology

Forget about democracy. He sees no issue with the government breaking into your apartment with no warrant/probable cause which is 100x worst

 

The only people who say this, say this because they want to fool and bully people into accepting that strongman authoritarianism is just the reality we have to live with.

This is Bullsh$t, and a lie that exposes those interested in our country becoming a strong man autocracy.

It is a fact that we are a representative Democracy. The word republic is referencing representation, but our representation is very much a democratic process. We all vote for our Congress, Senator, and Local Officials who represent us. Our system was based very much on the Roman system before it became corrupted and fell because up until our country was founded, that was the best case for success in the past.

So yeah... its a system that has holes in it that can be exploited. Our representatives can decide in between elections to represent their interests over the interests of their constituents, or in the case of 2025, represent the interests of a wannabe dictator over their constituents and the Constitution.

However, on it's face, it is a FACT that we are a representative Democracy... which is the same thing that a Republic is. Republic and Democracy are one in of the the same thing. The term is just used by people like you who are activists for pushing this country into a corrupt autocracy. What you are getting out of it I have no fcking clue but they need to pay you more for the hours you put in here trying everything you can to push your activist agenda.

 

Wait... this guy has claimed he's a district attorney!?!?!

WTF

Shocked the Trump regime hasn't already called him up to the big leagues to lead the Comey case yet. I mean they have an insurance lawyer taking over for the district of Virginia for crying out loud. Openly saying that you are an antagonist to democracy.... that seems like a fast pass to get to the front of the line in the Trump regime DOJ.

 

My understanding is that if republicans are the team thats closer to the ideology, one would be partisan for that team. Because the Republicans in word support reducing gov, that's the vessel to ride through.

I'm not arguing there isn't partisanship on display here, that's clear.

 

Not sure I ever heard him directly say he doesn't care for democracy.

I have a very clear definition of what a libertarian is. The idea that "libertarians" need to use gov power (AI, dictator, whatever) to ensure/impose their ideology is just authoritarianism in disguise. Just imagine a "libertarian" claiming women should be executed for abortion because it's murder and can dictate that. That's max state violence to enforce a moral position, the exact opposite of libertarian principles of maximizing individual liberty and minimizing gov power. If that's your position, that gov should enforce your ideals, you aren't a libertarian, but an autocrat.

 

A republic is a form of democracy.