The Official President Trump Thread - Second Term Edition

The Supreme Court has not directly ruled on the unitary executive theory, but since the 1980s it has given more power to the executive. It has not been adopted as settled law, and there are still court cases that hold the executive in check. The Supreme Court says Federal Reserve Governor Cook can stay, for now, which goes against the UET.

Congress has not abdicated its duty to check the executive. Republicans have. This is why the midterm election is very important.

No, it won’t hold forever, but you and everyone else can do something about it. Exercise your voice and your vote. In a true fascist country, you couldn’t exercise your basic rights to speak or to vote. If you don’t, you risk getting to that point and losing all power. That’s my overall point - people who say we’re already in a fascist country have given up. We’re not there.

 

How do you propose "resetting" the system?

 

This has nothing to do with my post. Holding <> not broken.

 

Maybe you missed the YET.

 

You're asking the guy who already expatriated to Europe!

But, I think you're both right. You make a valid point that the mechanisms of liberal democracy are still turning, so there is still more to lose. And we have recovered from things like slavery or Japanese internments. So maybe there is some sliver of hope. But I bristle at the conclusion that just because the system hasn't wholly collapsed you shouldn't call it fascism. This is fascism right now. There is constitutional crisis right now. I'm sick of hearing we are 'on the brink.' We are over the brink. We will vote in this upcoming gerrymandered election. If MAGA loses ground, Trump will claim some sort of fraud occurred and will try to subvert the election in certain key races. Even if somehow Democrats prevail and take the House, Trump will continue to unilaterally take executive action that exceed presidential power and impinges on Congressional authority and he will dare the House to try and stop him -- which they won't be able to do because they won't have the Senate nor SCOTUS. Maybe we will have a new president in 2029. Maybe even a non-fascist one. By then there will be a ton of work to rebuild democratic institutions. Will the new president even want to when he has so much power without them? So sure, I'll vote and I'll shitpost on the internet, but I don't think it will be nearly as efficacious as you suggest.

I suppose I would add that going after illegals also doesn't give you a right to trample the rights of those illegals! The South Shore raid was conducted without a warrant and breaking into the apartments of illegal aliens without a warrant is illegal and a violation of constitutional rights.

 

I did not. Your post implies I said nothing is broken, when what I actually said was that the system is still holding against fascism. Two very different things that are 10,000 miles apart.

 

Ad hominem, pass.

Washington DC is a very high crime part of America.

I don't know if you are aware of how law enforcement works, but you are allowed to detain a whole group of people for public and officer safety while making an arrest or serving a warrant. I can't count how many times SWAT has detained everyone in a house while a search warrant or arrest warrant is being served. No, a brief detention while conducting an operation has been found over and over again not to be trampling people's rights.

They seem to be largely doing their assigned tasks at the direction of the government.

Dragging a federal agent with your car is a criminal act. So is illegally crossing the border.

The evidence they are making bogus 911 calls is that the subject of the call denied what the officer was reporting? Oh boy, I have to tell you then, nearly every call to 911 involving criminal activity is bogus. I would say, not enough information to make that claim.

I have a bias toward law and order.

 

- the dc national guard are being deployed in the safest areas of DC. They arent touching any of the high crime areas. You said they were being deployed in high crime areas. Washington Monument is the safest place in dc. You can keep playing dumb but national guard arent being deployed for safety. Its raw power

- swat does not get to break into every apartment without probable cause. What the hell are you talking about. The supreme court has ruled and upheld the 4th amendment numerous times. If police have a warrant for a specific apartment it does not give them permission to break into every apartment in that complex. It has to be tied to a specific unit.


I cant believe we have libertarians claiming feds breaking into an entire apartment complex with no warrant is somehow legal now. How utterly brainwashed and shameless do you have to be to make that claim. "Small government" my ass

 

Well you must really be an adamant critic of the current CONVICTED felon serving as President who violates the law & the Constitution left and right.

Or tell us what you really mean by "law & order".... because I suspect what you believe is law and order actually is something else.

 

Dear MAGA....

Please tell us what the term "Law and Order" really means??? Because I'm just really struggling with this one. Like are you referring to the actual text of the laws written, passed by Congress, and signed into Law by a sitting President that in the library of Congress, in the written text given to all judicial students and practitioners, and on the websites hosted by the federal government?

How about this document called the United States Constitution? Is that the one??

So are you like supposed to follow that stuff if you are supposedly a follower of "Law and Order" or is this concept of "Law and Order" more of like a theoretical metaphysical space you can live in or out of? I'm confused..

Or is it like a comic book multiverse thing where you have like One Spiderman in one multiverse played by Tom Holland, and in the other it's played by Tobey Maguire?

I just think we need some clarification from MAGA on what they actually mean when they utter those words of implied importance.

 

Easy.

Law: Whatever Trump wants to do
Free Speech: Whatever MAGA wants to say.

 

Typical KLAN behavior
Lie
Terrorize
Claim victim hood
and
Moral Superiority

Rocket River

 

We have "district attorneys" @StupidMoniker who are now arguing that its legal for the feds to break into your house with no warrant/probable cause. These are your "small government" folks. This is complete clown behavior thats only extended to Republican administrations.

Libertarians suddenly want to flush the 4th amendment down the toilet. Clowns who cosplay as small government advocates

 

If they were only at the Washington monument, that would be a good rebuttal. They are not. You can see video evidence of them around protests, for example.

If I had made that argument, again, it would be a good rebuttal. What I actually said was that they can detain a group of people (ie zip tie people) when serving a warrant.

I never said otherwise. Your post, which I quoted, was about zip ties on "random" people. It doesn't mention multiple apartments.

If you respond to what I actually right, instead of what you wish I had written, you will be much less apoplectic.

 

In fact, I am. I have criticized him many times.

Don't break the law. If you do, the police are allowed to come and arrest you. That's what I mean.

 

-You claimed, ". I can't count how many times SWAT has detained everyone in a house while a search warrant or arrest warrant is being served." ICE is not detaining only the people at the house they have a "warrant" for. They are detaining the entire apartment complex and breaking into their homes. The swat team doesn't detain the entire neighborhood if they respond to a house.

- show us evidence of the National guard being deployed in the high crime areas in DC? According to the pentagon themselves they are only being deployed in high traffic tourist areas. The high traffic tourist areas have non existent crime. What the hell are you talking about?

You have no idea what the heck youre talking about. You should refrain from talking about ICE/NATIONAL guard cuz you have no idea what youre talking about

The civilians who had their house broken into at 1am did not commit any crimes. None of them were illegal or had warrants outstanding. They broke into over 30+ apartments with no warrant or probable cause.

Quit playing dumb and get your head out of your ass

 

I, for one, love it when hypocrites show the values they claim to support are only selectively enforced when convenient. It allows me to completely disregard all their whiny bullshit performative sanctimony going forward.

Freedom for me, not for thee.

 

What are you doing then to oppose him? Besides going online to criticize liberals, what are you doing to oppose and democratically take out of power the criminal who is currently in power?

At the least, since you are someone who Republicans would want to court as a voter, have you called your congressman to tell him/her to reel in the current president who is openly defying the courts and violating the constitution??

If you care about law and order as you say, put your money where your mouth is.

Let us know if you want to meet up at this upcoming event where Houstonians… not just democrats are welcome to come peacefully protest authoritarianism here in the US.

https://www.mobilize.us/nokings/event/844192/

Would love to see you there if you can make it man. Again, everyone who cares about democracy is welcome to join. You don’t have to be a liberal to come. Libertarians are welcome.

 

I voted for one of his opponents.

My Congressman is Democrat Josh Harder. He doesn't really need any additional pressure to opposed Trump.

I don't believe I will be flying halfway across the country to join your protest.

I don't care that much about Democracy. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. Democracy has taken this country the wrong direction for a hundred years. I care about rights and freedom, and sadly neither of the major parties is too hot on that issue. I'll gladly keep supporting libertarians and hope against hope that enough people will get sick of the duopoly and join me.