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Trump wants to monitor speech of American universities. Libertarians are silent

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Oct 3, 2025 at 7:03 AM.

  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...cal-agenda-for-better-access-to-federal-money

     
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    pretty simple transactional logic here: if you want federal money, you have to play by federal rules.

    No one seemed to object when previous administrations made mandatory DEI statements a condition to receive NIH funding
     
  3. Space Ghost

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    Oh noes! Won't someone please think of the children!
     
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    Of course ‘Libertarians’ are quiet. That party has been subverted by right-wing gun nuts and doesn’t stand for anything anymore other than snake flag license plates.
     
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    Hiring qualified populations isn't the same as monitoring speech by an administration with a track record of actively restricting free speech and pledging to continue restricting it more aggressively. Add to that their record of speaking out against unviserities.

    It would be reckless to try and excuse this as just a simple enforcement of reasonable regulations
     
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    Effectively, Trump's Dept of Education has sent a blackmail letter to 9 universities for preferential treatment;
    among them USC and UT Austin

    Gov Newsom has responded

     
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    But surely some rules are worse than others with regards to free speech on campus? Requiring a statement on how your work would promote diversity in your field is perhaps inappropriate for some types of projects. But I think the potential for speech suppression overreach here is far greater.
     
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    granting agencies set funding requirements ALL the time. Folks who are dealing with this right now at the Tier I research level are acknowledging that these kinds of restrictions have been in place all along, it's just that there has been no organized resistance to these restrictions, probably because there wasn't the level of ideological disagreement with those restrictions akin to what is happening now
     
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    “Tread on me harder, daddy”
     
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    and anyone who doesn't think a DEI statement is akin to a profession of faith doesn't understand DEI statements

    see e.g.,

    Diversity Statements Are the New Faith Statements
    The diversity statements secular colleges increasingly require of faculty candidates have many similarities to the faith statements long required by religious institutions, Justin P. McBrayer writes.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/view...y-statements-are-new-faith-statements-opinion

    DEI statements in hiring are not all that dissimilar from the statements required for successful grant applications
     
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    Critically thinking means you reject the BULLSHIT propaganda the GOP is spewing, they have completely lost the battle of ideology, so they are clinging to power illegally....

    This must stop, but if it doesn't there is only one direction left.....and that would suck for this country all together.

    DD
     
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    lol. it was all performative bullshit then, and what Trump is doing is all performative bullshit now. The only difference is that when it's our side doing the performative bullshit we like it
     
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    Not a libertarian.

    Not a libertarian.
     
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    NO ONE?

    I always thought some of those guys were someone’s, my apologies
     
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    The compact for Academic Excellence is new and has not been around.

    One of parts if it says to transform or abolish campus units that allegedly punish or belittle conservative ideas.

    This has not been around for ages
     
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    I've never seen any prior administration tie funding based on opinions or protests by the student body. Saying that you can not allow students to protest on cause against conservatives or you lose your funding? I don't think any previous administration has ever done anything that extreme.

    So far libertarians can only point to whataboutism.
     
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    They’re silent because they’re really just librarians.


    Sshhhhhh
     
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    and my point remains that granting agencies set funding requirements ALL the time.
     
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    Never before have those agencies put forward requirements that stifle free speech by the students to the point of monitoring peaceful protests. We get it that youre MAGA and have to rehabilitate Trump but no other admin has done this before.

    The funny thing is in the education thread you claimed Trump folks would never tie funding to protests and it was all hysteria by liberals. Now you've moved the goal posts that this happens all the time lol.

    Conservatives stand for nothing

    The funny thing is if you look in the education thread @Os Trigonum swore Trump would never stifle free speech of students and it was all fear mongering by dems. Suddenly hes done a 180 lol.

    Too funny how shameless these people are.
     

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