[AP] Conservative activist Charlie Kirk dies after being shot at Utah college event

Cultists are in their own bubble of bullshit.

DD

 

and their 'base' will beleive it all

Rocket River
because they really really want to.

 

"No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law."

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

In what way is the denial of equal protection of laws less explicitly explained than the rule against quartering troops in times of peace in people's homes? Both are prohibited in plain English.

 

As far as state action, that doesn't prove me wrong at all, it just shows that you needed to press cases in those other areas as well. As far as non-state action, that is where the CRA is unconstitutional.

 

You're touching on something important. Kirk was not a minister, a pastor, or a church leader. He was a political organizer and podcast host. The evangelical right in America is obsessed with "earthly things" like political power and "Seven Mountains" nonsense when the Bible itself cautions against these types of goals. Kirk's work wasn't to grow the church, but to acquire earthly power. Evangelicalism over the last 40 years has been fixated on acquiring power even though plenty of Jesus' own words caution against that temptation.

The funeral showcased the danger of Kirk's earthly pursuits: the genuine grace and composure of his wife saying, in front of thousands, that she forgives his killer and that "the answer to hate is not hate", followed up by Donald Trump saying "I hate my opponent and I don’t want the best for them." The contrast between the core concept of Christianity (forgiveness) and the amoral idol this movement props up could not be more stark. Although their political movement may gain in the short term, the long-term damage done to the faith through its marriage with Trump will do more harm than good.

 

The 10-year gap between Brown v. Board (1954) and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 works against your argument. In that decade, progress on desegregation was slow and uneven, and courts alone were unable to enforce broad civil rights protections. Your idea that simply bringing cases would have solved the problem is speculative - there is no way to know how the courts would have ruled. This clearly shows that the CRA was necessary to close the gaps in public accommodations, employment, and other areas outside education. As for your claim about non-state action, that is just your opinion. The Supreme Court has held that the CRA is constitutional under Congress’s Commerce Clause

 

I certainly respect your beliefs and your testimony - I grew up in Evangelical circles and still go to an Evangelical church now and then. I would still find his position that "women should submit to their husbands" to be misogynistic. I know it is based in Ephesians 5:22. That doesn't make it right. Ephesians is traditionally ascribed to the Apostle Paul; however, most modern scholars disagree, and are of the opinion that it was not written until the late first century by a different author.

In fact, its provenance as being divinely inspired is seriously undercut by chapter 6, where it provides:

5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.

This was used by many in the South to justify slavery prior to the Civil War. I challenge anyone to argue that these verses are the word of God.

 

Something tells me you’ve never been enrolled in a university before.

not that there is anything writing with that.

but I assure you this is meme is nonsense.

 

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In the 1968–69 school year, the university judicial system was the center of a controversy in connection with the disciplining of African-American students who had engaged in a protest. It was also directly related to the burning of a cross on the lawn of the Wari House, the dormitory for African-American women on campus.[12] (Ithaca police reportedly suspected, but never proved, that the cross was burned by members of the campus Afro-American Society as a pretext for further protest).[13] As racial tensions escalated, some African-American students demanded amnesty for the accused protesters as well as the establishment of an Africana Studies center. On April 19, 1969, some of them occupied Willard Straight Hall, ejecting parents who were visiting for "Parents Weekend" from the hotel rooms on the upper floors.[14] Subsequently, white students from Delta Upsilon fraternity unsuccessfully attempted to retake the building by force.[15] Some of the occupying students left the building and returned with firearms in case of a further attack.

During much of that day and into the evening, the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), led by C. David Burak, organized continuous, supportive picketing in front of the Hall's main entrance, consisting of a circle of about 50 marchers at a time.[16] Late that evening, the picketing was replaced by having a limited number of volunteers form a protective cordon outside the building, overnight.[17] The idea, according to a sympathetic faculty member, Professor Douglas F. Dowd, who recommended it, was to promote calm into the morning, by selecting volunteers "for their ability to keep calm in a crisis situation."[18]

Ultimately, the Cornell, particularly Vice President Steven Muller, negotiated an end to the building takeover. The photos of the students marching out of the Straight carrying rifles and wearing bandoleers made the national news and won a Pulitzer Prize for Associated Press photographer Steve Starr.[17]

On campus, the Straight takeover led to the formation of the University Senate, a restructuring of the Board of Trustees, a new campus judicial system, and the foundation of the Africana Studies and Research Center. By the end of the academic year, Cornell President James Perkins resigned.[19] It also led to the creation of the Cornell Africana Studies and Research Center in late 1969, but the building it was housed in was burned down by a racially motivated arson attack less than a year after its creation.[20]

 

Thanks for sharing. In regard to the “wives submit to your husband” verse, husbands who justify spousal abuse on this verse are completely in the wrong. The preceding scripture commands husbands to love their wives as Christ did for the church. Husbands are required then to lay down their entire lives for their wives.

 

When you realize that American and UK revivalism were a response to the enlightenment movement, it all starts making sense for why modern day evangelicalism is what it is. Or why the Southern Baptists chose to split off.

The religious movements are more about feeling included than finding everlasting salvation.

 

I appreciate your post and perspective- and his wife does agree with Kirk’s views, just a lot of women don’t.

We don’t have to agree on everything, we just need to understand each others perspectives even if we disagree.

 

More racist, bigoted speech by Charlie Kirk talking about segregation and the importance of the CRA of 1964.

 

Charlie KIRK JUST ****ING LIES....in his very first thing he says there is a playground in Denver where no whites are allowed...- FALSE

In Denver, there is no public playground where white people are banned from entering. Federal and Colorado state laws make it illegal to deny anyone access to a public accommodation based on their race

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Just because you speak confidently doesn't make you knowledgeable.you morons that fall for this HIDEOUS ******* - are the problem - you can look **** up - please start....don't believe people just because they are good at speaking.....and FFS admit it when you are wrong.

DD

 

That's your take? That's what your focused on? And that's your response to the video?

He was talking about the evils of segregation. This one example which is infuriating you was in response to a diverse elementary school in Denver promoting a People of Color only playground night. He gave other examples of the evils & wrongs of segregation.

If you can genuinely and truthfully listen to all of his debates and say that he is racist and bigoted, then you have some very deep-seeded personal issues you should address.

 

No, not my full take, just that he lies at the beginning, the guy is a complete ******* and shouldn't be celebrated.

MAGA is trying to turn him into Horst Wessel a guy the Nazi's killed and then made him into a martyr for their political gain, that is what MAGA is doing here......

He is a racist, a mysoginist, and lies confidently with very shallow arguments. - and I am fine - I am not trying to prop up a racist white nationalist as some form of martyr...that is you.

You can't take ONE ****ING VIDEO and say...SEE...SEE....when there are literally hundreds that show what he is......so if that is what you are gonna do....you should know others are going to bring fire with the truth....sorry you can't handle it. MAGA needs to crawl back into their racist holes where they came out of...worst thing Trump has done is let racists feel they have a quorum, they don't.

And thanks for proving my point, he lied, you had no issue with it. Honor Charlie by releasing the Epstein files...

DD