But most of our OL are top 60 picks. Scruggs, howard, the rookie, green last year. They have spent resources and tons of high picks, they just whiffed. Fisher was a 2nd rounder as well.
Ersery, scruggs, fisher were all top 60 picks (i think one of them was like 62 technically). Green was the 15th pick just a few years ago, my point was the investment in the OL has been pretty massive, 4 top 60 picks in 4 years is a ton. The fact that guys like tomlinson/ingram who are basically bottom of the barrel scrap heap guys are starting is a horrendous indictment of what's happening. You are technically correct though, those high picks are sitting on the bench.
No no no no, don’t ****ing do this **** right now. I’m not defending the Texans for ****ing up the line situation, I'm saying the coaching, technique, and drafting/evaluation are to blame. But to act like we haven’t invested heavily in the OL in the draft then you clearly haven’t been following the team the past few years. wtf are we even doing with this stupid argument...acting like coaching is irrelevant and the top o lines are all top 5 picks... Alright Dr. Phil, let's take a look at the Eagles, who are widely considered to have the one of the best, if not the best, o line in the NFL over the past few years: T Jordan Mailata - 7th round 2018 (Eagles) G Landon Dickerson - 2nd round 2021 (Eagles) C Cam Jurgens - 2nd round 2022 (Eagles) G Tyler Steen - 3rd round 2023 (Eagles) T Lane Johnson - 1st round 2013 (Eagles) A first rounder, 2 seconds, a 3rd rounder, and a 7th rounder - all drafted and developed by the organization, 3 of them pretty young players. Hmmmm.... if only the Texans had spent significant draft capital on lineman....hmmmm.... Oh yeah: Going back to tunsil, trading 2 1sts, a second? Then trade tunsil away this offseason, draft a tackle (Ersery) second round. Kenyon green 15th overall Scruggs second round Blake fisher second round tytus Howard 1st round Well thats really ****ing interesting, because it sure looks like a helluva lot of draft capital spent on lineman that either sucked ass or were never developed correctly and ended up sucking ass because of it, but sure as hell looks to me like we've spent even heavier than the ****ing Eagles on O line. Weird how that ****ing works when you have good offensive coaches and you can develop your players. The funniest part about your stupid argument is that the best stupid Texans lineman right now is probably the reject ass NE throwaway (Andrews) that we picked up from the scrape heap. Maybe the Texans' coaches haven't had the chance to ruin him yet. I'm way too tired and irritated to be arguing with ****ing people that don't think coaching is a crucial aspect of having a good offensive line or a good NFL team. Goodnight sir.
"Demeco's defense" Dammit people, he's the Head ****ing Football Coach. As in, he's responsible for the entire team. Does John Harbaugh say, "well my special teams was rock solid today, if only the defense didn't screw up"?
Where in the world did I say *any* of this? Please point to the post where I said coaching was irrelevant and the OL has to be top 5 picks. Talk about a straw man - you’re not in the solar system of accurately representing what I’ve been arguing. The Texans biggest priority, entering the offseason, was upgrading their OL. Their approach: - traded their best linemen & replaced him with a failed OT who two teams gave up on last season; - replaced their (awful) interior with a has-been (Tomlinson), a cast-off (Andrews) and a never-was (Ingram); - sat passive in the draft before using 1of their 9 picks - one! - on an OL - and it wasn’t even your top pick. Yeah, of course - maybe a good coach with a good scheme can turn that chicken **** into chicken salad. But are you really going to argue starting with chicken **** is a defensible approach? *Especially* when they hired a first-time OC - with no OL experience - and promoted the OL coach who was part of the problem last year? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills here with someone reading that and then getting upset that I think their approach was, on a scale of 1-10 dumb, about a 413. I think Nick Caserio should lose his job for it. And I think Caley & Popovich should be given two more weeks + the bye to fix it or they’re gone, too, with McNair demanding Ryans hire an ex-HC with an offensive background to see if they can salvage the mess Caserio & Ryans have made. For your standard to NOT be get the absolute best players and coaches available is football malpractice and heads should be rolling this morning.
Quick - poach from the Eagles and hire some of that O-Line scout talent and coaching. It's obviois the Texans don't know what theyre doing ever since the Caserio era started.
I can't believe I still had hope for this team. But it's no surprise nothing has changed since they fired only two offensive coaches after last years disappointment. All of the other offensive coaches are still in place. They fired or let go of Strausser and promoted Popovich. Why? They brought in an equally or lesser experienced OC in Caley. Caley brought one coach with him and those were the only two changes other than the seemingly unwarranted promotion. Did Demeco and Nick really believe they could resurrect the offense and CJ this easily?
Or maybe don’t elevate the backup line coach on a bad o line. But yeah, need fresh offensive coaches with new perspectives. Ideally people with some experience and proven results.
Again, what the **** are we doing? Is your entire argument we should have gone balls to the wall in free agency? I mean, I guess then, I won’t necessarily disagree with that…? We’ve drafted a million lineman high in the draft and at some point you have to coach and develop those pick or this is where you’re at. You can’t spend your entire draft class year after year just drafting lineman, at some point you have to actually hit on those picks. I am saying, in no uncertain terms, that there is a universe where some of these picks turned into solid offensive lineman, but because that coaching is dogshit, that didn’t happen. some of them are likely just bad evaluations from the start but lord if I trust that the Texans coaching staff did good work with them. Your binary view of players just being good/bad without understanding the nuance of scheme and coaching/development is infuriating. Again, not defending the Texans for the line situation, but it’s not like this current outcome is the only possible outcome - “the line just sucks no talent, nothing coaches can do now” That’s absurd. It’s ****ing absurd. There are absolutely things that can be done.
I agree. These are all NFL caliber players. Just because every position isn’t a top tier talent doesn’t mean they can’t be a functional group. Scheme, cohesiveness, coaching, technique, QB recognition are big factors in how well they play.
IMO Demeco isn't going anywhere BUT, I think we can all admit the hiring of this OC was a mistake and not addressing the O Line to the degree it needed was a HUGE mistake. Nick has made some great picks but he`s missed on his O Line picks, to the point where we have those picks on the sideline or traded while the replacements are a$$. Were at a crossroads IMO, IMO Nick and the OC have to go but not sure you can do that going into week 4, by the time the Ravens kill us we will be 1-4, yea we suck but the Titans suck worse. By biggest fear is CJ turns into David Carr and were set to pay him $60 million and TBH I "think" he the IT factor but how can you tell when we surround him with a shitty line...................I think that's where I am most pissed, we did zilch to put him in a position to properly evaluate him. It's a crappy day to be a fan in HTown
… Yes. Or did you think this very deliberate statement meant something else? Again, stop with the straw man. I never said spend your entire draft class on linemen. But I absolutely questioned the insane logic of only using one pick - ONE! - on a lineman. Nine picks with a burning need to get better talent into their OL room... and they used one on a lineman. They had cap room, as well, and they shopped in the bargain bin of discarded offensive linemen during free agency. Look at the linemen that were available this offseason: Thuney, Fries, Zeitler, Dalman & Becton - ALL significant upgrades to the linemen that were on our roster and ALL significantly better than any of the linemen the Texans eventually brought in. Are you going to argue the Texans shouldn't have been in on any of these guys? That ship had sailed, man. They jettisoned Green and Suggs and Fisher had trouble getting on the field for a bad line and were bad when they did. You can certainly target them as potential help with better coaching/schemes - but you still need offensive linemen! And their approach was to find sub-mediocre players with the hopes a first-time OC and an OL coach who was in the room last year would whip them into shape. That is bat-**** crazy, indefensible and dumb - a job-losing approach. Again… where did I ever say anything close to this? The Texans did not actively pursue talented linemen this offseason. I can't believe I'm having to repeatedly make this statement. They traded away or released 3/5 of their starting line. They ended the year unsure what they had in Suggs and Fisher. The offensive line room needed an urgent infusion of talent and... they essentially punted on free agency and the draft. Correct. Get better talent; hire better coaches.
At some point the issue is the organization from the top-down. A team cannot be as inept as the Texans without things being rotten from the top. The only thing saving the organization from Bengals/Raiders type ridicule is due to the AFC South being the worst division in the NFL for most of Texans existence. The way to turn around the team is by rebuild fully from an organizational standpoint. Get someone from the Ravens or the Eagles that you feel knows their system and put him fully in charge, similar to what Commanders did. Even if the plan fails, at least you know who is to blame.
I posted on X that the Texans are the Cleveland Browns of the South, only difference is we play in an easier division.
