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[AP] Conservative activist Charlie Kirk dies after being shot at Utah college event

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by No Worries, Sep 10, 2025.

  1. Andre0087

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    Eh, this seems more your opinion than fact. Congress has the option to legislate this particular amendment so I still don’t see how the civil rights act would be illegal.
     
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  2. StupidMoniker

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    It is a mixed statement of law and fact. The Third Amendment does in fact state that the government cannot quarter troops in people's homes in times of peace. It is my opinion that Congress does not need to pass an additional law that does the same thing. The opinions are well founded in the text of the Constitution, as well as decisions interpreting the same.
     
  3. DaDakota

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    Too bad the constitution doesn't matter anymore with Trump breaking it all the time.

    DD
     
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  6. Andre0087

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    Yes I get that but those issues are explicitly explained. No one is asking for legislation that defines what age one can run at to be president. Most of the other amendments are open to interpretation and thus the reason the 14th says “legislation” by Congress is appropriate.

    It is your “opinion” that the CRA has exceeded the authority granted to Congress under said amendment.
     
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    He was the opposite of which you speak, he spoke life into all that came to debate him. You are watching clips and drawing hate from his words. If you see all of these from him then all I can say is I hope that you can find Jesus Christ in your heart and that you can find peace.
     
  9. Nook

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    Cardinal Dolan has always been far right. He is basically the Rights version to the Jesuits in South America arming the peasants and poor - while preaching Liberation Theology.
     
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  10. Nook

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    A lot of people would disagree with you - especially on misogyny. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but this absolutist position I have heard from the left and right on Charlie Kirk I don’t think is constructive or reality.

    Kirk wasn’t a monster like some on the far left claim - but he also wasn’t a martyr, he was a right wing activist that worked with some sketchy people and said some wonderful and some bigoted things.

    Those on the left that laughed or mocked his death are disgusting - but those on the right (including this administration) using Kirk’s death as an excuse to end free speech or punish their enemies are disgusting as well.

    Kirk wasn’t perfect - and the reason his death is a big deal isn’t because he was some pious man, it is because he was assassinated by someone that did so to stop him from exercising his Constitutional right to free speech and that is something that is expected to happen in Russia or Venezuela, but not the USA.
     
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    I don't remember the whole story (been a while since I've watched "Spotlight"), but how many kiddie diddling priests did he cover for?
     
  12. bigdaddy

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    We just have to agree to disagree about him being misogynist. This goes directly to the teachings of the New Testament, in the eyes of his wife who is an educated woman and was clearly open and willing to live her life by these teachings. It takes being filled with the Holy Spirit and being saved by the belief in Jesus as your Savior. You have every right to believe or not believe this but this is what he preaches and practiced. Being married in a covenant with Christ is the greatest thing in my life and it is what I believe is true. Again you have the right to your beliefs. As far as people that he associated with, it could be misconstrued in the way Jesus associated with the sinners and was attacked for it. Thank you for the civility.
     
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    No, I am not I watched him talk about black people, DEI, and other things, he wasn't a saint he was a bigot and a misogynist and just because he is dead I refuse to let people WHITE WASH his issues.

    The man did believe in Free Speech and he wanted the Epstein files released, people want to honor him, release the ****ing files.

    Oh, and Jesus Christ was a socialist, he detested authority, Charlie Kirk sucked at the spigot of the ruling class, Jesus would not be a christian nationalist, he would be more antifa.

    And before you start quoting the mythology that is the bible, realize that it was written and edited multiple times by political men with agendas, and many books were left out when they invented the holy trinity at the Council of Nicea.

    And no, I don't believe in religion, I think it is all made up to control the ignorant masses, but I don't condone those who find peace in it, just keep that to yourself.

    I personally don't like how it puts women down, when Jesus ACTUALLY did not do that, according to those books left out of the Cannon by Constantine and the council. Or the form of christianity wiped out by the Pope and his armies in France around the 1200s.....the Gnostic sects, where women are equal to men - as Jesus practiced. (and is left out of the edited bible).

    One last thing about Kirk, he KNEW his audience rained HATE down on people he targeted in his attacks and never spoke against that....he was NOT a good man, he was a charlatan hiding behind a facade of christianity - hell his wife started raising money on his death a day or two after - fake - is what I see.

    Let Charlie rest in peace, and be forgotten like all the other bigots that have propagandized children with their lies and bullshit.

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    Unite the Right march in Charlottesville.
     
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    Ok
    I just pray that one day you will see the light and find a place for Jesus in your heart. That will give you peace that passes all understanding.
    Have a Blessed day
     
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    Very Fine People
     
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  17. DaDakota

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    Don't bother - thoughts and prayers don't do anything but make individuals feel better about doing nothing to actually help.

    DD
     
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    It’s been a minute since I’ve read much of it but I believe it’s Matthew 9 that speaks about your job as a Christian is to bring more people to Christ.

    I’m not in the business of helping the Christian nationalist movement but I will say that while convenient due to timing, I would be very careful about trying to make Charlie Kirk this figure you think will be your version of MLK that can be used to depict a positive figure that can bring in new Christians. There are ALOT of receipts with Kirk that will be very problematic in the longterm for creating a positive vision of Christianity. If people are told to listen and read Kirk’s works alongside other Christian figures. their belief system for what they think their goals as Christians will be will pretty warped and will continue to kill the religion long term.

    The churches can do what they want but I just think you guys are making a huge mistake for Christianity by tying so much of your future into the MAGA movement which on its face is in opposition to Jesus and diminishes his teachings with constant contradictions and stresses the immediate importance of fealty to Trump over Christ which in the Bible would actually be blasphemy, and Trump would be taking the Lords Name in Vein by claiming he is “the chosen one” by God while preaching hate and division.

    Trump just last night…”I hate my opponent”….


    This is modern Christianity to people who nothing about Christianity. This is your brand and what is being sold as what the church is all about. Again… not in the business of helping Christian Nationalism but if you are trying to instill longevity in Christianity I would advise people looking for something in their life to look not at the politicians and money changers but instead look to Jesus Christ who spoke against the hypocrite politicians of his day and turned the tables literally on the money changers.
     
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    "He's not a misogynist. Anyway, here's a reference to the most misogynist book I can think of."
     
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  20. Amiga

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    Wrong.

    Brown v. Board of Education was limited in scope to racial segregation in public schools, ruling that "separate but equal" was unconstitutional in education. It did not apply to segregation in other public or private areas of life. It did NOT banned discrimination in public accommodations (hotels, restaurants, theaters, motels, staduim, etcs). It did NOT prohbited state gov from denying access to public facilities on the basis of race, color, religion, or national origin. It did NOT even effectively stop segration in public school due to weak enfrocements. It did NOT outlaw employment discriination based on race, color, relgiion, sex, or national origin. CRA of 1964 closed those gaps.

    Court ruling in Brown vs Board of Educ: "We conclude that in the field of public education the doctrine of ‘separate but equal’ has no place. Separate educational facilities are inherently unequal."
     
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