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Fire Espada

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Mr.Scarface, Mar 10, 2024.

  1. Nook

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    As far as I can tell Espada doesn't have a lot of turmoil in the locker room and he isn't going to embarrass the organization as a person.

    The issue I have with him is the actual strategic part of the game and the situational/fundamentals - which are honest as bad as I have seen in a long time.

    The positioning has been below average, the base stealing and fundamentals are all not up to par.
     
  2. itzIce

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    So, as a bench coach during the years with Hinch and Baker, did he not provide strategic advice or is this just the case of being a better bench coach than an actual manager?
     
  3. Major

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    That's all true. It's also all been true for the past decade and worked pretty well - the Astros have been near the bottom of the league since 2017 in pitches seen per at bat. No one seems to have a problem with it when the Astros are winning. Then, its just aggressive baseball.

    The Astros have lost a ton of talent and their retained elite talent is getting older, so it's not going to work as well. But you're not going to suddenly change them into patient hitters - this is who they've been their entire careers, and frankly, it's how the Astros developed them for the ones that have been here a while.
     
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    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    There fact that we are even in the playoff picture with our injuries and the people we lost is crazy. We literally lost a playoff team full of pitchers and position players.

    The only thing I'm mad about is overusing Hader over 2 games which lead to his strain.
     
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  5. Rock Block

    Rock Block Sorta here sometimes
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    Which is why I asked OP in his quote about his inside info. How do we know Joe didn’t give a sign and Dubon missed it? Again, he’s not good but at this point people are just guessing what he is and isn’t doing on some things.
     
  6. Major

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    People also blame him for anything they don't like. For example, several mocked him for not pitching Hunter Brown a day earlier but I seriously doubt Espada is deciding on when starting pitchers go. The whole reason the Astros (and every other team) fired Dusty is that he didn't win the right way - ie, he didn't do what the front office liked. The reason they hired Espada is to have more control over everything - big picture of when to play SPs strikes me as a front office decision more than a manager's one. But since Espada sucks, everything just becomes his fault.
     
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  7. Rock Block

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    Totally agree, basic strategy. I just want to know how we’re so sure Joe gave no sign?
     
  8. IdStrosfan

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    I have no inside information

    What I have is eyes and consistently watch players swing at terrible pitches in situations where it is obvious that IF a manager gave specific direction it never would have been swung at.

    I also have heard Chandler Rome make similar comments multiple times on his podcast. Comments about how Joe and the Astros just let the hitters hit and do not give a lot of "take" signs or give orders regarding PAs.
     
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    Perfect example.

    7th inning tonight.

    Sanchez in an 0 for 25 skid. Hitting 9th with Pena on deck.

    3-0 count and he swings on a borderline pitch at the bottom of the zone.

    I'm making him take a pitch or at least only swing at center cut fastball.
     

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