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Please Read: The American dream is ending in a psychotic breakdown

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ubiquitin, Sep 13, 2025 at 2:47 PM.

  1. Ubiquitin

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    Fellow ClutchFans:

    I am pleading that you all can pause and take a moment to collect yourselves over the shocking death of conservative social media star Charlie Kirk. Both on here and across the internet at large, civility is breaking at its seams due to hyper-polarization and increasing dehumanization.

    I am echoing Utah's Republican Gov. Spencer Cox:
    “Social media is a cancer on our society right now, I would encourage people to log off, turn off, touch grass, hug a family member, go out and do good in your community.”

    Here on our niche forum, there are two active threads and both are quite heated and are bad looks for nearly everyone involved. Clearly tensions between posters are the highest we have seen in over a decade, but just like with the early 2010s when @Jeff asked you to tone it down, I too am making that plea.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/13/americas-days-of-rage-charlie-kirk/
    The American dream is ending in a psychotic breakdown
    A rising tide of political violence and the rejection of legal norms suggests the America of the Founding no longer exists

    “We got him”, said the governor of Utah, Spencer Cox, making an unqualified judgement of guilt on the man who had just been apprehended. Will they bother with a trial at all, and if so, how could any jury now be unprejudiced? Has Tyler Robinson, who is still being described officially as a “suspect”, already confessed and made it clear that he will plead guilty? President Trump has expressed a wish for him to be given the death penalty. Has there been (or will there be) a psychiatric examination to establish that the accused, who had not even been charged when the Governor held his triumphant press conference, is fit to be held responsible for his actions?

    To British ears, accustomed to the principle of innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, this was all pretty shocking and even by American standards it was rather exceptional. But these are exceptional times. This is no longer about a particular crime: it is a test of nerve for the governing class. Can rationality and moral decency be restored to the public square or are we entering an era of lynch mobs and licensed mass hysteria from which there is no escape?

    Is this how the American dream ends? With a mass psychotic breakdown: an epidemic of insanity in which the freedoms and virtues that were intended to guarantee a great modern nation, are turned into murderous parodies of their original intentions? Maybe this was a historic experiment that was doomed from the start. Perhaps the whole project was naively idealistic and misconceived: the idea that you could create a unified, stable nation state from displaced people who have chosen to leave behind their historic roots and the precious sense of belonging to a place – however terrible and dangerous that place may have been.

    The founding intentions were magnificent: this was to be the Age of Reason incarnate where every individual would be granted the rights to self-determination and personal liberty, and be guaranteed those rights by a written contract (the Constitution) with a government whose powers were strictly constrained and delineated. It was the embodiment of the Enlightenment dream of human potential which relied on the principle of rational debate and the participation of the population in a permanent open discussion about their own future. There is real doubt now – the anxiety is quite palpable – about whether that concept can survive a 21st century reality in which threats of death and retribution have become the common currency of public discussion.

    It would be a mistake to think that this latest eruption of homicidal psychopathy has come from nowhere, with no warning. The United States is a dangerously volatile country. There has always been a palpable element of derangement in its social order. It has a record of assassinations and attempted assassinations, and a perennial problem with violent crime which is matched by almost no other first world country. But what is happening now feels different: apocalyptic and inexorable. And the reason it cannot be stopped is that the people, both the population at large and those who are supposed to be in charge, do not want it to stop whatever they may claim.

    If they sincerely wanted to put an end to it, they could do so in a moment of reasonable consensus. But they have consistently resisted any attempt to enforce standards or controls on the virulent social media activity which is undermining the real freedoms they revere. So the tide of what would once have been called “extremism” – the incitement of violence and the perpetration of blind hatred – are now the accepted currency of political discourse.

    This is much more psychologically and socially complicated than it might appear. The chronic dissatisfaction which is the other side of individual freedom has long been a neurotic fact of American life. If you are promised every opportunity to improve yourself, to succeed, to go beyond what might have been the limitations of your birth, and you do not – or cannot – live up to those expectations, what then? The anger and frustration that comes with that disappointment was always a danger to the dream of aspiration which is supposed to be your birthright.

    Discontent and resentment are built into the national way of life, because they are the inevitable counterparts of success and achievement. Not everybody can win in this frantic race and if you are one of the losers (or even one of the less spectacular winners), it is deemed to be your own fault: you did not try hard enough or, worse, you threw away the chances you were given. The work ethic of Americans, and the judgemental attitudes that it breeds often strike British people as ruthless. Just as the condescending compassion that is shown to those who do not succeed in Britain is surprising to Americans, who find the complacency and resignation of those who make no attempt to escape the poverty of their origins deeply shocking.

    This is a profound difference that is quite difficult for the nations of Old Europe to grasp. They may feel that they share the democratic spirit and intentions of the United States but in truth, they are entirely different in their social assumptions. The 18th century French revolutionaries who expressed their support for American rebels against British monarchic rule may have assumed that they were fighting for the same republican cause, but they were not creating a country out of nothing, with an entirely new population of incoming peoples. The French may have rejected their monarchy but they were still recognisably themselves: an identifiable nationality with a sense of their own shared history.

    Tragically, it seems that the very notions that were intended to be the foundations of this model of an enlightened society are contributing to its downfall. The sacred right to free speech has been poisoned by malign actors who use the new social media made possible by technological innovations which burst upon the scene without any political consideration, to foment violent hatred. Is it possible to distinguish the legitimate uses of freedom from the dangerous irresponsible ones? We may be about to find out.

    @Clutch
     
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  2. Space Ghost

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    I echo this sentiment - shame on yall
     
  3. davidio840

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    Yep. Dumbasses like @astros123 using this place and the likes of Reddit to talk trash, call everyone a moron that doesn’t agree with his/hers/its outlandish viewpoints are what is exactly wrong with this country. People like that bozo should be blocked from the internet. There is never a point or legitimate opinion to anything they say. Just creating vitriol for the sake of doing so. Probably a coward in the real world as well.

    Anyways, there is going to be a downfall at some point. Read the book - The Storm Before the Calm by George Friedman. It’s a good read on the history of the country and how we got here without playing the political left vs right card. People like @astros123 should read it so they can understand something about this country other than “left vs right”.
     
  4. Rileydog

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    Good post. I’ll try to be nicer.
     
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    Social media lets a small group (10-15%) dominate the conversation, making political violence, and society in general, seem worse than it is.

    In reality, past eras like Reconstruction and the Civil Rights movement had more political and state-sponsored violence.

    The real risk is not the current level of violence, but that the fringe mindset will spread. The danger is that widespread unhappiness leads people to embrace unreasonable solutions - empowering figures who have no real solutions but instead cause more division and spread more harm.
     
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    I like how you call out one poster on the left but forget all the other shitstains on the right... @Commodore @Salvy @basso to name a few.
     
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    lmao
     
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  10. ThatBoyNick

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    America the HOTTEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET is officially in the DANGER zone

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  11. hooroo

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    Social media is a pox but... put blame on social media, blame Hitler, blame everything and everyone else but one's own choices, actions, and the refusal to improve.

    It's a cop put.

    Kirk was murdered. It's wrong and any explanation is not needed on why it's wrong. Maybe the half glass idiom comes to play here but the way he spoke of Kirk as his personal Jesus didn't sit well with me. He's not a martyr.
     
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    I think there is a significant risk MAGA is going to retaliate with a sudden show of force - where they are going to act and there will be a large killing of liberals across the country on a single night in the near future. They are talking about it in social media.

    I saw this coming for a while. I have been training with a handgun, shotgun, and rifle. Figured I'd buy one of each as I didn't know what would be best in what situation. Honestly it's hard as I find guns pretty scary. I find them absolutely nerve racking to use and I hate holding them and loading a clip even. Very stressful. Oddly enough, I am pretty good at hitting bullseye.
     
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    This sounds like the present, not the future.
     
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    It was. The present isn't happy with their choice. Future is TBD.
     
  15. DaDakota

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    Normally we would have congressional rules on social media.

    Things like, - no anonymity, platforms are responsible for truth being posted, and algorithmns are able to be opted out of....and no one under 18 can have access on their phones etc.

    Instead, they pay off politicians NOT to rule on Twitter, Reddit and FB and we cloud the judgement of a generation with bullshit and anger.

    DD
     
  16. jo mama

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    nice sentiment from the OP and then the 2nd post comes from this person...

     
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  17. jo mama

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    maybe its time to shut down the D&D and ban all political talk on this message board. or maybe start banning some of the more over-the-top posters. i think it would go a long way to cleaning things up in here.

    the things that used to make this place different from the vast majority of other message boards are no longer in place or being enforced.
     
  18. Space Ghost

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    Typical fascist.

    "I am wrong and instead of apologizing, we should shut down the D&D to silence the voices of anyone I disagree with"
     
  19. jo mama

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    what exactly am I wrong about and what exactly should I apologize for?

    what are you talking about dude. you have lost it.
     
  20. Space Ghost

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    We are not shutting down the D&D because you leftist fools lost your mind.
     
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