[AP] Conservative activist Charlie Kirk dies after being shot at Utah college event

he definitely recognized a market need for people willing and able to go into into the rhetorical lion's den to debate

 

I think a little less of any company that still uses Twitter as their main venue on social media.

 

I know ZERO veterans who support Trump and his regime.

 

QUESTION: Should the local police and their lack of Security get more scrutiny?

Rocket River

 

You clearly have never seen a Charlie Kirk appearance on college campuses. Debate isn't persuasion, evangelizing, or selling. Debate CAN lead to common ground and compromise, but it is NOT about evangelizing. He knew he wasn't going to convert a single person that grabbed a microphone to debate him.

His debates on colleges were geared more towards his social media presence which would cherry pick the most PROVACOTIVE exchange, and try to make it go viral to promote his brand to younger conservatives who found him online. He's there to debate college liberals... but his intent was always for the folks already in his camp online to further support his cause.

Yes... he was a PROVACATEUR. That does not mean he was asking to get killed, and it's disrespectful to community members here for you to gaslight, and insinuate that someone was trying to say that he did deserve to get murdered. Fcking stop that sh$t dude.

 

He was an agent provocateur.

He has blamed DEI for the number of Texas flood victims.

He was asking his supporters to bail out the man that took a hammer to the head of Pelosi's husband.

He was in the middle of defending the idea of limiting gun ownership for trans people (but not other groups).

Just because he smiled and waived at people and could be pleasant doesn't mean that he isn't a provocateur - and just because he was a provocateur doesn't mean that he deserved to be assassinated.

 

I just realized there is a cottage industry on the left that does stuff like this.

It's the ambush/guerilla interview folks. Jordan Klepper, All Gas No Brakes, etc.

Those folks generally don't have security, but that's because they try to be anonymous and discrete.

I would absolutely love to see the Chapo Trap House guys set up a "debate me bro" booth at CPAC.

 

Lots of facts here.

As for his wife...I do feel a modicum of empathy for her, but this chick is right, she chose him and supported him. She may or may not take on his mantle and become some bastion of ultra-right wing hate/fear mongering, but in the dead of the night, when her meds wear off and she wakes up sober, she will only have herself to look at and will regret supporting the hate, if for no other reason than her children.

It's sad. Hate is always a zero-sum game. If someone else doesn't get you, your own body eventually will succumb to the constant stress.

 

Trap House?

 

Seems like a loy of you guys are being very disrespectful of his beliefs and dishonoring his memory.

 

I actually do, but none of them are open about it, claim independence, and you can openly see the conflict in them. Basically they all know better.

However I know they are still watch Fox & listen to right wing propaganda. So they'll always debate on Trump's side if they decide to engage on a topic, but certainly are not comfortable being viewed as partisan.

It really kind of irks me because veterans really do deserve to live in a world where they don't really have to choose a side, and can just sleep at night knowing they fought for all of America, and not just service of one side or the other. But the world we live in forces you to make a choice. We've always been a tribalized species, but I guess we had it pretty well bucking the norm the past 30 or 40 years being able to be less tribal than how we normally have been over the span of our existence.

I guess you could argue that we are simply returning back to the norm, and what we had only for the span of the past few decades was an abnormality.

 

That’s awful. I’ve seen many awful things on the X site too from the other side. Social media is really good at amplifying awfulness. The root of it is a divisiveness and good vs evil narrative that accounts like Libs of TikTok (and probably a hundred others that you follow) traffic in.

 

Look let's be honest, he was a self serving ******* - who was more interested in getting famous and making money by being a lightning rod - he gamed the algorithms in real life.

Same think that Ben Shapiro is doing or Dean Withers on the left....they are all trying to be influencers to make MONEY ....

None deserve to be shot....Shouted down, sure, but not gunned down.

DD

 

Strange how peoples experiences can be so different. I have found nearly 100% of veterans I am friends with or work with or just come in contact with in my life very clearly support Trump and most of that group are very proud and vocal about it.

 

I don't talk to any of my old friends in Baytown because they are in the cult of ignorance known as MAGA - they don't want facts or debate, they just want to get along with whatever their friends say.....

And that ends up with massive ignorance and cognitive dissonance, you can't ignore Trump being a Pedophile.....if you want to have true honor.

DD

 

Interesting.

I urge you both to kindly and gently remind them of their oath and how the president has utter distain for their fallen brothers and sisters.

 

It’s reasonable to think at least part of the motivation is to highlight campus intolerance by making provocative comments intended to stir up angry responses.

 

One thing he definitely didn't go there to do is debate anyone who had more than two braincells to rub together.

 

Neoconservatives love the victimhood and identity politics game they blame “dEi rEcIpIeNTs” for

 

Oh I have, and that’s when you get the whole “oh I have lots of problems with Trump and Jan 6 was terrible… but….(then they recite what they heard on Hannity the night before). “

They just understand better how bad Trump really is than your normal right winger,
but these are still humans conditioned by the identity politics and tribal societal positions they need to fall in line with in order to maintain their personal relationships.

I keep thinking about my experience being in the sticks in these rural communities and experiencing the insane peer pressure you are under to culturally conform to the MAGA identity or at the very least a hostile rejection of anything Liberal. You want to see what I mean… go to one of these church picnics this weekend in small town Texas and tell someone…. Anyone you voted for Kamala Harris.

These veterans I know are the ones that have to live or come from that bubble with that insane peer pressure to conform.