[AP] Conservative activist Charlie Kirk dies after being shot at Utah college event

I’m seeing a lot of reactions on the right blaming anti-Trump people on the left for this murder en masse and saying various media figures should be rounded up and arrested because they are culpable.

Wasn’t Charlie Kirk’s thing that free speech matters and there is a sharp line between words and violence? I would think of all the positions he voiced, that at least is one all reasonable people should agree with. And yet, a lot of the reaction on the right is going in the other direction.

 

Here is the thing . . . I think alot of people put him in that category because . . . they feel he would do all those things if he had the power to.

You justification is basically . . .. He didn't have the reach to do these things.
Many people are convince he would 100% do all those things if he had the chance

He gets a pass because he just had not amassed enough power to do it. . . .yet?

Rocket River

 

QUESTION: What is your confidence level that Kash Patel and his FBI will find the guy?
I mean . . they will find SOMEONE but I am not sure if it will be THE GUY.

Rocket River

 

That's maybe a little too simplified because there is a big difference in cohorts within "the left", and you could also say "the right" as well. Mainly due to age gaps in demographics of these political subgroups.

Like the "No-Kings" protest is going to attract a demographic of college educated people in the age of 40 to 70. Mostly from cities or suburbs.

I can't speak for the youth of today, but I know with the youth in my day being influenced by Che Guevara, Rage, Public Enemy, etc. a protest that included people like me when I was in my later teens going to something like an Occupy Wall Street type of event vs the person I have aged to be today going to a No-Kings protest would be likely to have vastly different results.

Both would be considered "The Left"... both with widely different protest outcomes. Same I'm sure with "the right" when you'd compare a Tea Party type of protest outside of an abortion clinic with older right wingers vs the right wingers in Charlottesville or Jan 6th crowd... which I guess was a bit older but still pretty violent.

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A big thing here though is education, and thoughtful organizing. A well educated, intelligent, and well organized movement will understand that the reaction you are seeking with your protest will have maximal impact if you are seen as fighting against brutality with non-violence, and through effective speech. MLK understood this, and had a well organized movement that had great impacts.

Trump's "Stop the Steal" movement was belligerent, incoherent, and preyed on people who had very little intelligence & education while dialing up their emotions to 11. Therefore the Stop the Steal movement led to chaos, violence, and death.

If we are judging left vs right in protest etiquette and effectiveness, I think you can point pretty directly at higher education being a factor here pretty clearly. If you have an educated and thoughtful brain, you are probably less likely to resort to violence. The data is pretty clear that liberals are more educated, and that's a big factor you cannot ignore.

 

When a prominent figure is murdered because of politics in this way, it hurts everyone. And I’m quite sure many with influence on the left are receiving an escalated number of death threats due to this as well, especially given how the President responded yesterday.

 

I'm not sure it's a bad thing that the people who spread hate and disinformation daily might now fear retribution.

"Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it". - Mike Tyson.

 

Quite a difference than the stuff the GOP and Trump are spewing.

Trump made no mention of attacks on Democrats, including Melissa Hortman, the former Democratic speaker of the Minnesota House of Representatives, who was killed in June when he spewed his rage blaming radical leftists for Kirk's murder. He wasn't outraged when Pelosi's husband was brutally attacked, and wasn't outraged when J 6ers beat police at the Capitol. It's never about all the violence, hate attacks, and politically driven attacks and murders with him. He picks and chooses those he condemns, based on what side of the party he decides the killer or attacker are on, even if it's without any proof of the attacker or murderer's reason, mental state, or political affiliation.

When it comes to people being murdered by sick in the head nut jobs, political extremists, or terrorist and hate groups condemn them all! Nothing justifies killing or attacking someone out of hate. Nothing.

 

Ann Coulter, Riley Gaines, Ben Shapiro, many others on the right require massive security details just to speak at college campuses.

Leftists have no such concerns.

 

When violence against speech (even really horrible speech) is normalized, it affects everyone. It’s a bad thing.

 

College campuses are much less safe for provocateurs on the right versus the left. I agree.

 

Dude... This was from like 6 days ago:

https://fox11online.com/news/politi...kelda-roys-brienne-brown-firearms-legislation

When is the last time a Republican implemented safety measures for College Campuses? Had Utah have passed a Democratic gun safety bill for college campuses like this, Charlie Kirk might still be alive today.

 

Ezra Klein and Pod Save America don't go around hosting debates at NASCAR races and Ted Nugent concerts, but if they did, they'd probably also have security on site.

 

FoxNews was literally on air calling for violent retribution on the left yesterday. Jesse Waters directly called for it on air.

Because of this, private security for people like Gavin Newsome, etc. will need to be insanely elevated because of these calls for retribution on the right.

Also note that Trump pulling SS protection from Kamala Harris puts a huge target on her back. Trump doing this right as she was planning a tour was an open invitation for violence.

As you pointed out.... THIS HURTS EVERYONE.

 

Lefists aren't calling for a racially pure America and have not twisted Christ's love into a religion of hate and intolerance.

 

"provocateur" is a malicious pejorative implying they are asking for it

 

They also spew a lot of hate, and are intentionally provocative. I graduated from college in 2006. Conservative voices were the only ones I ever heard on campus. Of course back then social media was still in its infancy. We wouldn't even know them if they came to our school. Except GWB when he came. People did know the POTUS. I also went to a mostly white college in rural GA (though we had about 14K students, so it wasn't a small school).

 

Its a tragic event, but I find it pretty funny that some folks gets a lot more hot and bothered about this person tragedy over the countless of students that have died in mass shooting.

Gun violence is a huge issue that needs to b addressed but nah extremists like to frame it a war between folks with differing political stance.

 

It is a stress test of our multicultural, individualistic democracy that China can exploit. In times of peace our system has the advantage but in tough times i can see the bonuses of low immigration, one-party rule