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Charlie Kirk shot at university of Utah debate

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by tinman, Sep 10, 2025 at 1:56 PM.

  1. DonnyMost

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    You are very, very much not.

    You are actually closer to the "needs to see a therapist" end of the spectrum than the center.
     
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  2. Andre0087

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    Come on now, what did you say?
     
  3. MadMax

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    I’ll be at my Dad’s memorial service on Saturday, so I’m all in on the despair. ****ing bring it. You can cry about it or you can do something. Go make someone else’s life better. Control and change the things you can…let go of what you can’t. There are a ton of human beings that need help right now…go be about it. I can’t live in despair. I serve a bigger King than that.
     
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  4. MadMax

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    I had to delete something about my feelings about Jalen Green, Scottie Pippen, and Steve Francis. Frustrating AF!!!!!!
     
  5. DonnyMost

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    I am no fan of Christian nationalists but justifying killing people over it is a bridge too far to say the least.
     
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  6. Andre0087

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    On a serious note I didn't know about your father, you have my true condolences and I will leave this thread with that.
     
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    Lost mine a couple years ago, it’s tough..hang in there man. My advice is to steer clear of this place and focus on family.

    At the end of the day that’s all that matters
     
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  8. DonnyMost

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    Probably not a good time to be bopping around on this part of the interwebs with all these sociopaths while dealing with such personal tragedy.

    The country is gonna continue swirling the drain and will touch bottom in its own due time and on its own schedule, so yes, in the meantime bring light whereever you can.

    Be well Max. I love you, man.
     
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    Man, I’m sorry about your Dad.
     
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  10. TheRealist137

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    Been out and about.

    So let me get this right. No suspect is even in custody yet the right are already blaming "radical leftists" for this incident? Seems heavily on brand for them. No proof of anything just baseless accusations and arguments.
     
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  11. MadMax

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    I know you do, and I love you too. I actually think is the perfect time. It’s so raw and I know what’s most important so clearly. I refuse to be negative or pessimistic.

    You’re right, I’ll never convince the conquistador or whatever ****ing name it uses now, but that isn’t really the point.
     
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    Jesus Christ, man…read the room.
     
  14. DonnyMost

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    Imagine Joe Biden issuing an address like this for one of the dudes from The Young Turks or Pod Save America.

    What a weird ass time to be alive.
     
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    But but I’m a centrist lmao
     
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  16. Salvy

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    Great speech, Charlie Kirk's message is reaching millions worldwide and will for years to come....
     
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    WTF are you talking about.

    You posted a tweet saying Democrats use violence ... which who knows if it is factual or not ... but is certainly inflammatory since it is a call to violence against the Ds ... which exactly the opposite of what the situation calls for right now.

    That is why I asked about moving on from thoughts and prayers.

    And now you are posting about wingnuts with huge arsenals ... who might get triggered by Kirk's assignation. WTF.
     
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    gift link

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/10/...e_code=1.lE8.26Hm.Isd-zcy-4lvx&smid=url-share

    Opinion
    The Editorial Board
    Charlie Kirk’s Horrific Killing and America’s Worsening Political Violence
    Sept. 10, 2025

    The assassination of Charlie Kirk — the founder of a youth political movement that helped revolutionize modern conservatism — at Utah Valley University on Wednesday is a tragedy. His killing is also part of a horrifying wave of political violence in America.

    Since last year alone, a gunman killed a member of the Minnesota State Legislature and her husband and shot another Minnesota politician and his wife; a man set fire to the home of Gov. Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania; and a would-be assassin shot Donald Trump on the campaign trail. In 2022, an attacker broke into Representative Nancy Pelosi’s home and fractured her husband’s skull. In 2021, a violent mob attacked Congress, smashing windows and brutalizing police officers. In 2017, a gunman shot four people at a Republican practice for the congressional baseball game, badly wounding Representative Steve Scalise of Louisiana.

    While the motives of Mr. Kirk’s killer are unclear, Mr. Kirk was a prominent political figure speaking at a political event. His killing is political in its consequences.

    Such violence is antithetical to America. The First Amendment — the first for a reason — enshrines our rights to freedom of speech and expression. Our country is based on the principle that we must disagree peacefully. Our political disagreements may be intense and emotional, but they should never be violent. This balance requires restraint. Americans have to accept that their side will lose sometimes and that they may feel angry about their defeats. We cannot act on that anger with violence.

    Too many Americans are abandoning this ideal. Thirty-four percent of college students recently said they supported using violence in some circumstances to stop a campus speech, according to a poll from the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression published a day before the Kirk shooting. Since 2021, that share has risen from 24 percent, which was already unacceptably high. Surveys of older adults are similarly alarming.

    This editorial board disagreed with Mr. Kirk on many policy questions, and we are unreservedly horrified by his killing. We grieve for his loved ones. We mourn his death. Amanda Litman, president of the left-leaning group Run for Something, offered an appropriate response: “Political violence is meant to scare and silence — it is absolutely never acceptable. We don’t have to agree with someone to affirm they have a right to speak their mind without fearing for their life or safety.” Many prominent Democrats and Republicans offered similar sentiments.

    Whatever the killer’s motives, it is clear that political violence is a problem that extends across ideology. Prominent conservatives, moderates and liberals have all been victims in recent years.

    The intensity of our political debates will not disappear. The stakes are too high, and the country disagrees on too many important questions. But we Americans have lost some of our grace and empathy in recent years. We too often wish ill on our political opponents. We act as if people’s worth is determined by whether they identify as a Republican or a Democrat. We dehumanize those with whom we differ.

    This is a moment to turn down the volume and reflect on our political culture. It is a moment for restraint, rather than cycles of vengeance or the suspension of civil liberties, as some urged on Wednesday. It is also a moment to engage with people who have different views from our own. When societies lose the ability to argue peacefully and resort to violence to resolve their political debates, it usually ends very badly.


     
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  19. TheRealist137

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    Nice message. President Trump should lead by example. Hint: he isn't.
     
  20. Xenon

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    I can't believe I'm saying this, but you need to relax. Go outside away from the computer and go grab a drink and go watch a game. Come back tomorrow.
    Pretty much. I was reading the first thread earlier and basso pointed out that the shot had to be from someone with some training, but then he got his talking points and abandoned that line of thinking. All of them got their talking points. The grifter economy is at full throttle right now.
     
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