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Charlie Kirk shot at university of Utah debate

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by tinman, Sep 10, 2025 at 1:56 PM.

  1. basso

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    Damn, and I’m an Astros fan.

     
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    https://nypost.com/2025/09/10/opini...s-killing-is-an-attack-on-free-speech-itself/

    Charlie Kirk was all about DEBATE — this killing is an attack on free speech itself
    By Post Editorial Board
    Published Sep. 10, 2025, 6:58 p.m. ET

    What makes this assassination so especially heinous is that Charlie Kirk was the furthest thing from a demagogue or firebrand.

    Yes, he took controversial positions (some we disagreed with!) — but was always ready, eager, to hash them out, vigorously and utterly without rancor.

    His whole persona, his entire appeal, was his willingness and availability to debate, to subject his arguments to testing in the marketplace of ideas as he would joyfully test anyone else’s.

    “‘What we as a culture have to get back to is being able to have a reasonable disagreement where violence is not an option”: Charlie Kirk spoke, lived and died according to those words.

    He welcomed the chance to argue — civilly — with random people whose opinions differed completely; exemplified the spirit of liberal (in the old-school sense of espousing liberty and generosity of spirit) give-and-take.

    How refreshing, in an age of shouting TV heads and vapid social-media posturing, that Charlie Kirk would go to any campus or auditorium to happily engage in lively conversation — without resorting to insults or mic-drop-ready applause lines.

    It’s no coincidence he was killed on a university campus: He conducted many of his debates there, in the liberal belly of the academic beast — giving lefty students possibly their only exposure to conservative arguments, and inspiring beleaguered righties.

    Not just on campus, of course: Charlie’s social-media reach was also enormous, a force contributing hugely to debates right and left.

    Not least, at age 18 (!), he co-founded the youth outreach group Turning Point USA, leading it to the day of his death, growing it into a major force in conservative activism and a lifeboat for conservatives on campuses across the country.

    His voice — measured, thoughtful, respectful — infuriated his opponents, almost all on the left and sure that conservatives have to be dumb, nasty, and intolerant: How dare Charlie Kirk present pro-family, pro-market ideas with calm confidence.

    You can’t even honestly call this a political killing: Kirk was no candidate or politician; his only power was the power of the spoken word.

    This assassination was nothing less than an attack on the principle of free speech itself.

    We expect the killer will prove to suffer some level of mental illness, but we’re also grimly aware that some on the left will cheer this crime as somehow heroic, as they’ve done with Luigi Mangione and others.

    And if some critical mass of people believe it’s reasonable to contest speech with deadly violence, then America is entering a dark and ugly era indeed.

     
  3. Reeko

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    ironic that the same people who were making joke after joke about Paul Pelosi are now talking about empathy

    Who are you trying to fool?
     
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    "Wait you police haters, give them more time the Uvalde cops will do the right thing and protect the kids"...said you. Sit this one out brah...
     
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    Didn’t care about what? Wtf are you talking about?
     
  6. AleksandarN

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    How am I mocking him? I was thinking deeply in prayer for him. It is what we do in tragedy. No need to lash out. Let god take the wheel
     
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    So emotional, I think you need to calm down before you stroke the hell out.
     
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    Are those people in the room with us? Any receipts?

    Or you’re just making **** up
     
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    You’re literally not making any cognizant point I can respond to.

    It’s simply gibberish. What were you trying to communicate to me about a position I allegedly took after the Trump shooting?

    Explain yourself and I will respond.
     
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    the decay of this country started in 2016 and has been unrelenting ever since
     
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    In April 2023, conservative commentator Charlie Kirk stated, "We cannot allow [mass shooting victims] to emotionally hijack the narrative". The comment, made at a Turning Point USA Faith event, was part of a larger argument about gun violence. The comments were made after a mass shooting at the Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee, where six people were killed, including three children. Kirk framed empathy for victims not as a legitimate human emotion but as a political tool.
     
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    The majority of leftists like you are happy as a pig in slop Kirk was murdered.
     
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    who killed those children?
     
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  14. Andre0087

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    You've been full of bullshit for years now you're mad?
     
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    Your mother...that ugly cunt. She obviously didn't teach you not to answer a question with a question.
     
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    I sent my thoughts and prayers as is customary after every shooting
     
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    gift link

    https://www.wsj.com/opinion/charlie...2?st=Nq435y&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

    The Murder of Charlie Kirk
    The MAGA movement leader was known for inviting debate with opponents.
    By The Editorial Board
    Sept. 10, 2025 6:42 pm ET

    The killing of Charlie Kirk, a 31-year-old father of two and a prominent political leader on the right, is another horrifying scene in a country that is heartsick of witnessing them. Kirk was appearing at a public event Wednesday in a courtyard on the campus of Utah Valley University when he was shot in the neck.

    As we went to press, news reports said no suspect was in custody, and the killer’s identity remained unknown. A university spokesman had said the shooter fired from a building about 200 yards from Kirk’s speech. Given the pattern of such events, it would not be surprising to learn that the assassin was disturbed and mentally ill. Given Kirk’s celebrity as a MAGA movement leader, it would not be surprising to learn that the killer had a political motivation.

    This is all the more tragic because Kirk built his movement, Turning Point USA, the old-fashioned way: through political debate. His method was to appear on college campuses and welcome all comers to take him on with questions and opposing points of view. He did this amid the height of cancel culture and the worst of screaming mobs on campus who wanted to shut down conservative speakers.

    This is a now dangerous moment for the country, which could descend into a cycle of political violence that would be hard to arrest. President Trump survived two assassination attempts. In June two Democratic state lawmakers in Minnesota were shot, one of whom was killed. Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro’s home was firebombed in April. Three years ago a contemplated assassin gave himself up outside Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s house. Rep. Steve Scalise was shot in 2017 and Rep. Gabby Giffords in 2011.

    The perpetrators of these attacks range in the degree of their mental illness and delusion, but American society has steadily dismantled the civil and social guardrails that used to prevent such troubled minds from straying so disastrously from civilized social norms.

    The rise of the internet instead means there’s a content niche for almost everything, including obscene narratives in which Luigi Mangione is a folk hero for allegedly assassinating Brian Thompson, a 50-year-old father of two and a health-insurance CEO, on the New York street. What will social media’s ghouls say about Kirk?

    At the same time, the political rhetoric is at a pitch that could hardly be higher. Losing the next election means the end of America, each side says, and the political opposition is often portrayed as not merely profoundly wrong or mistaken but intentionally trying to destroy the country, shred the Constitution, institute fascist rule. The crazy rage on the political left is especially acute at the moment given Mr. Trump’s polarizing Presidency.

    To some, this is all part of the partisan game. Disturbed listeners are less capable of separating rhetoric from reality.

    Political figures from both parties denounced the attack on Kirk Wednesday, as they should. But for Mr. Trump, while this is a moment of personal sadness, it is also an opportunity for leadership.

    As the President, as a survivor of a near-assassination himself, and especially as Kirk’s political ally and friend—he can help the country rise above this madness. He can say that this is the moment when the descent into political violence must stop, not least in honor of Charlie Kirk’s willingness to win by debate, not a resort to thuggery or violence.


    Appeared in the September 11, 2025, print edition as 'The Murder of Charlie Kirk'.
     
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    I don't want Christian Sharia law in the US so I'm not really sorry some ******* christian nationalist who uses tax exemption status to promote a racist, xenophobic, greedy ideology that makes a mockery of Jesus gets a bullet.

    The same MAGA posters that are constantly posting anti woke videos and xenophobic content that Kirk also engages are pretending to be outrage. One of your kind reaped what they sowed.
     
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    he didn’t give a single fck about children getting murdered in cold blood while at school, but the whole country is supposed to mourn him and hold candlelight vigils

    when Paul Pelosi got almost beaten to death, he wanted “patriots” to bail out the attacker
     
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    incompetent Patel at work

    so now they have no suspect in custody
     
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