The last time TACO was in the presidency his tariffs screwed the farmers, China stopped buying our soybeans, and we had to BORROW 13.5bn from China to bail them out. So, what happened this time, after Trump screwed the farmers last time? They voted him in again - and then he cut USAID which buys a lot of their goods, and he cut SNAP which also buys a lot of their products and once again the moron in charge put tariffs killing sales to China - who have now gone to Brazil and South America to get their goods. And, what happened? FARMERS are going broke (Which is the entire plan BTW- so his billionaire buddies can buy those farms out of bankruptcy for not much $$).....and the farmers are now asking for SOCIALISM or help to bail them out, after voting against help for kids to eat breakfasts in schools. And, complaining about anyone needing a government hand out should pull up their boots and work it out on their own. So, what should we do? Bail em out again, after the liberals voted to help them by electing Kamala - yet they voted to put their own livelihoods at risk by voting for Trump. Or, should we just let the billionaires buy up the land and let them go broke? I don't like either option, FAFO is real, and these morons need to learn that they can't vote against the safety net programs for others and hope they get it for themselves. So, for me - you can't give them money - it has to be an UNFORGIVABLE loan - in fact any government bailouts should be that, no more free cash that corporations and others can simply pocket or do stock buy backs - it is a loan, and if we can't forgive student loans then we damned well can't forgive bailout loans. I would love to say....SCREW IT....let them all die on the hill they created, but that only gives the billionaires & corporations what they want - all the land, money and power. So, what would you do, bail em out with a loan, no baliout at all, or simply bail them out again? BTW - during the last time TACO was in power, China signed 20 year Soybean contracts with Brazil - so any bailout would be a long one - with no customers for our products. DD
I don't care about what Trump will do, just want to know what we here think. I would normally say....Screw them, but I don't want the land going to billionaires and corporations - but free handouts - need to stop - if we aren't going to allow other loans to be forgiven, then we shouldn't be giving out money to people who are voting for the cruelty to others while allowing others to bail them out. Either, we are a country that helps EVERYONE or no one. Or if you have a better solution - would love to hear it and I will add it to the poll. DD
They will be saved by selling to their corporate overlords. I'm sure JD Vance and his masters will buy all those farms for pennies on the dollar Rocket River
absolutely not…hell no…fck no Why should we bail out these dumbass welfare kings and queens let them suffer the consequences of their actions look at these bums begging for handouts what they need to do is stop all that crying, take some accountability for once in their lives, and lift themselves up by the bootstraps
I hear ya, and emotionally I am RIGHT THERE WITH YOU..... BUT...... If we do that, it is exactly what Trump and company want, they want bankruptcy and they want to buy up that real estate on the cheap - and turn those land owning farmers into workers. This is the plan - and THAT is far worse than bailing them out.....so - what else can we do? I mean corporate farm ownership, corporate housing - all of it is terrible - for our nation overall - we need PEOPLE owning things, even if we don't agree with them - so for me...I think we have to bail them out somehow....either by reinstating the government programs that paid them - and loaning them the rest of we as a country surrender to the BILLIONAIRES and we end up crushing this country further into an oligarchy..which is far worse than a bailout, IMHO. This is 100% taking advantage of ignorance of some, and the anger of others - it is a game being played at our PEOPLE's expense...... So, we have to look beyond emotion ...imho. DD
BINGO!! We bailed them out once. . .they didn't learn When they do the same sh*t in 2 yrs. . . what then???? At what point do you cut them off Isn't that what they say about people on Welfare? Rocket River
I know you don't care but it's kind of a waste of time to speak in terms of a hypothetical alternate universe vs our reality that we have to work with. It should shock no one here that I personally would govern far differently than the current regime, and its cult that craves this bizarre corrupt budding autocracy. If I was president, and my policies led to the farmers NEEDING to be bailed out in the first place my policies obviously were not very good. Yes I would do everything I could to protect farmers and other private industries from needing to either be bailed out or from getting bought out by the corporate overlords. So if I was president, the farmers wouldn't need bailing out in the first place because I wouldn't have gone insane with tariffs, and other stupid policies that put their farms at risk in the first place. However if my policies did slip up, of course I would help them out legally any way I could as President or if i was in Congress with the power of my vote to put a bill out there that would help them. .... Now should Trump bail out the farmers??.... Is that what you are asking?? Well if you are inside Trump's corrupt, and demented brain with his intent aligned with yours, I think no. You don't bail out the farmers because he has to assume at this point those farmers are in his cult and even if he murdered their family in front of them, they'd at worse vote 3rd party instead of vote for an "EVIL" Democrat. Trump is going to assume they are with him regardless and he WANTS corporations to swoop in and buy that land up which will strengthen the Oligrach class even more, and put him closer to a situation like what Putin has with Russia. Those corporate Oligarchs that will buy up that land will only be able to buy that land because of Trump, and therefore they will be in Trump's pocket. More power... low risk of cult voters leaving the cult. No bailout for Farmers if I am advising Trump, and I am a cynical power hungry corrupt Republican like most Republicans.
JD Vance already has the vehicle to scoop up the land in place AcreTrader I think it is called AcreTrader purchases land from, or with, farmers and transfers ownership from the landowner to a private limited liability company. The remaining shares in these properties are then sold to the public. In many cases the former landowners or their tenants may continue working the land, becoming shareholders instead of owners while receiving access to the funding raised by the investors. Rocket River
Yep, and this is worse than bailing them out - and what is wrong with bailing them out WITH A ZERO interest loan??????? Do the same for College Tuition - use any bailout loans as the same and make them for everyone. DD
IIRC the First Trump Tariff War (in his first term) required that the farmers get bailed out, since China stop buying US ag products. The Rs did NOT have the votes to get bailout passed and required D support. Were the farmers appreciative of the Ds efforts? F*ck no. Farmers voted overwhelming for Trump in 2020 and 2024. The Ds should let the Rs who control Congress sort this out themselves. If the Rs want the Ds support, they should be willing to give the Ds a sweetheart deal.
This is the ONLY reason to bail them out. Private equity is the ****ing devil. Corporations since Citizens United are their ****ing demons. Put it together and we'll all be sharecropping for less than the cost of our Soilent Green in a generation.
that is exactly what those farmers voted for they got devastated during Trump’s 1st term and had to be bailed out to the tune of billions of dollars…a large amount of them ended up going bankrupt due to tariffs his 1st term, and the tariffs weren’t even anywhere near as ludicrous as what he was proposing to do this time around Did they learn their lesson? No. They voted for him again in 2020 and then for a 3rd time in 2024. Now they’re getting destroyed yet again we all know why they continue voting for Trump…they want to see others suffer…they want those they hate to be screwed I’m tired of bailing out these dumbasses, it’s time for them to suffer the consequences…I genuinely wish the worst for all of them and they can go to hell AFAIC…fck em all bunch of bums begging for handouts due to their own stupidity
Culture war bullshit. As someone who grew up in the sticks around rednecks, I can say that othering has always been a thing out there. They won't change but is that reason to allow private equity to gobble up their **** and make our country worse for it? I voted for the loan option. That way it hurts but they still have their livelihood. Every month when they make that payment, they are reminded of what got them there.
I wish the worst for them and hope they go bankrupt their vote has already made the country much worse a lot of people are suffering under this regime, and I don’t see talk of bailing them out…they have to resort to pulling up their bootstraps or they’re called lazy people trying to leach off the government…matter of fact, they’re stripping away healthcare and other benefits from these people but for these idiotic farmers, we’ve gotta spend billions upon billions bailing them out multiple times for their hatred and stupidity fck them farmers
They seem to be pretty ok with allowing ICE to be roving bands of Klansmen terrorizing minorities. I am tired of "taking one for the team" If its gonna be hell . .. let's all be in hell together and I am not sold that a Corp Farm would be all that much worse than what we have now I mean . . .these people will be the workers on the farms anyway . . . Rocket River
I understand 100% your vitriol; I'm living in it too. The enemy isn't each other. It's private equity, corporations and oligarchs. Divided we fall.
Monopolies control pricing. Competition is good. It's easy to other people until you become the other. Soon it won't be the color of your skin, or your religion. It will be your socioeconomic status. Then we're all in one boat if we don't have 100m+ in the bank.
I am already "The Other" Until THEY are THE OTHER . . . they won't join the rest of us to make life better They have NO SYMPATHY or EMPATHY They don't give a rats ass about the rest of us . . .. Rocket River
