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Trumpflation Watch

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Nov 19, 2024.

  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Electricity prices are high because Obama/Biden did their level best to destroy the coal industry and closed almost all domestic coal fired power plants. The Green New Deal and the liberals' climate change fantasies are squarely to blame here.

    Even CLIMATE NEWS admits this obvious fact. You can't take that much baseload capacity offline and expect wind/solar to replace it -- peak stupidity!

    The retirement of old coal plants was good for the environment, but the rapid loss of those plants has helped to intensify the supply crunch that’s now happening.


    https://insideclimatenews.org/news/07082025/inside-clean-energy-pjm-utility-prices-soar/
     
  2. Ottomaton

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    Probably nobodys going to watch a 16 minute video that doesn't come right out at the beginning and totally absolve or blame Trump, but here you go.

    For Traitor Jorge, increase in natural gas production has far exceded reduction in coal output. But honestly cracking on renewables is probably a lie that will win for you guys (point made in video), so I expect you guys will keep pushing it. Drumpf's Big Beautiful Bill making it easy to export LNG easily is the short term culprit, along with tarrifs on Chinese solar and elimination of American solar subsidies but most of it is probably systemic related to demand and inelastic supply (artifically inelastic).

    BTW, we are at the beginning here. Prices are going to get much worse.
     
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  3. dobro1229

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    I'm not opposed at all to nuclear because i'm all for adding as large of an energy market as possible to create competition which creates lower prices & the need to be efficient to appeal to customers in a free market.

    However saying that Nuclear is THE option is insane. Mostly because in many parts of the US we are going to have a water shortage issue, and reliable fresh water flow is key to being able to operate a nuclear plant for decades.

    So while Nuclear can be an effective addition to the energy market, its only reliable, and cost effective in certain parts of the US such as the Ohio and Mississippi River regions. It's also crazy because Wind, and Solar are so much more reliable longterm.

    Of course though Nuclear Fusion is the future if we can figure out how to replicate, and scale. That is years away though of course. The other development will have to be in massive amounts of carbon capture that can be used to lower CO2, but also replenish oil reservoirs where yes.... we can still use oil in the future when we need to, but us it more efficiently.
     
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    Natural gas fired plants are not used in the same way as coal fired plants. Natural gas fired plants run SOMETIMES during peak demand periods. Coal fired plants run ALL THE TIME. They are baseload facilities. Capacity does not equal production. Taking out America's coal fired fleet destroyed the supply-demand balance for electricity generation -- all to pursue the green energy fairy tale. Now the American consumer pays for the Democrats' bad policy.


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    Literally the opposite of true. Uptime and consistency of operation for LNG plants significantly excede coal fired plants.
     
  6. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    I am talking about US-based natural gas plants. Not LNG. Do you know the difference? You are very confused!


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  7. edwardc

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    He ruins everything he touches
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    Congratulations, you caught me misapplying an acronym through carelessness. I'm sure i might have misspelled something you can probably exploit for another sick burn.

    You are still totally wrong and your poor attempt at obfuscation and distraction should fool nobody beyond giving reflexive obligate righty cheerleaders a cheap thril.

    Natural gas plants are absolutely more reliable and consistent than coal.
     
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    Nope. Nat gas and renewables go hand in hand.

    I know you are an idiot but natural gas literally outcompeted coal. Why do you hate competition?
     
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    Its not just solar hes at war with. He just canceled a wind farm that was 90% completed and about to go live with powering over 400k homes.



    The dumbass is at war with the entire renewable industry at a time electricity demand is going parabolic. Trump is single handily responsible for the high electricity bills
     
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    We added 50 GW of new solar last year alone. You have no idea what the hell you're blabbering like usual. We retired 2.3 GW of coal in 2024.

    This dumbass does nothing other than lie in literally every thread
     
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    You misspelled "thrill"

    ;)
     
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    Do you think coal fired plant retirements started in 2024? LMAOOO. You are clueless if you think a one year comparison is valid. ... and solar capacity utilization is super low -- quoting capacity alone is sooooo misleading and ignorant. Again, you are clueless.

    The march towards renewables by California politicians has gifted California consumers with the highest electricity costs in the continental USA. That's where solar/wind and retiring fossil fuel plants gets you... PJM is now feeling it after their coal retirements. It's just bad policy. With the increase in electricity demand from AI, we would be promoting electricity generation from all forms possible. That's the way to go and it's the Republican approach. Liberals are economic illiterates.


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    The climate subsidies just went into effect at the end of 2023 so using 2024 as an example makes most sense as its the first year. California electricity costs has nothing to do with renewables but rather the strict regulations on transmissions which are awful. Look at solar deployment in TX and its half the cost of CA. TX has gotten more than 70% of all new capacity was done by renewables.

    Solar utlization has increased double digits as its still a new technology. Remember we didnt manufacture a single solar panel during Trumps first term. We only brought back manufacturing in solar panels under biden and now we have the entire supply chain here including the fabs.

    The bottom line is going to war with the fastest deployable energy source at a time energy demand is skyrocketing is the dumbest lowest iq policy that you could take.
     
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    Trump just said that the price of beef is coming down once the policies he put in place kick in. As usual, Trump does not explain the why ... the how ... which policies ... etc.

    Trump also thinks gas cost about $2 a gallon and the price of eggs have gone down significantly.

    Trump is great at selling and bad at the actual doing. All hat, no cattle.


     
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    LOL, where is the faux outrage from maga.................when egg prices spiked, they went bonkers. This admin will lose the fringe voters who thought he would actually keep his promise, and this isn't like the bird flu, where farmers had to kill a ton of chickens, this is 100% self inflicted............he could easily fix it by rolling back the tariffs, but the reality is he doesn't care about Joe Six Pack, he cares about the 1%
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    You know it’s bad when they locking up the beef snacks
     
  19. edwardc

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    Fully agree it he cared about the average American as must as those Epstein files we would all be able to live comfortable lives.
     
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    Conoco laying off 3000 people. Why? Tariffs.
     
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