The "franchise player" debate has been settled. It's Amen.

Player A: 50% TS when league average is 45%
Player B: 55% TS when league average is 60%

Which one would you consider the more efficient player and rather have?

 

Obviously its player B assuming both leagues are in the NBA. How do you know Player B wont average the same TS when he is brought into the the league of player A? Player A might be playing in the inferior league Player B would have even better stats against inferior competition. We are comparing players specifically not how close they are to their peers.

Like Lebron said if you brought Giannis into the 80s he would average 50. The TS today is higher than the 80s.

Not sure why you suddenly woke up in a snit but learn what facts are next time.

 

So you would rather have a player who's efficiency is below league average than above? Do you at least understand how insane that is? Jalen and Kobe have almost the same career TS%, though Kobe played in a different era so he was very efficient while jalen obviously is not. The idea that kobe and jalen are the same is bonkers.

 

So you would rather have Nikola Mirotic over Sengun?

I am sure Mirotic is at the top of Euroleague league average while Sengun is far from NBA league average.

How dumb is this logic exactly? Why does league average matter when they have different leagues? In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king ever heard of that? So in the land of people with 2 eyes the one eyed king is an invalid. So why do you think league average is even a factor here?

When you state facts they shouldnt be up for debate. Jalen Green having a higher TS than Wall is a fact. You using league average like its some kinda magic metric that turns black to white is not a fact.

 

I'm trying to remember those 4 seasons Jalen averaged over 10 assists a game (you know, because he's better than Wall, and Wall did "absolutely nothing well" despite being one of a VERY select number of people to do it 3 or more times - accidentally i'm sure.) I would've thought I'd heard about it as a former Jalen stan, but guess I was too busy being blinded by his efficiency...lmao

 

Huh? euroleague?

 

You said "league average". Bro just stopm

 

NBA average.....not some random league that has nothing to do with the nba

 

Wall is a pg Jalen is a scoring guard. Diff playstyles. I mean Jalen's career avg is 3 pts higher than Wall and he is splitting possessions with Sengun.

 

Which league is harder today or John Wall's era? I would argue today has a lot more talent so thats why the league average is higher than Wall's. Players are just better now. So why does the league average suddenly make Wall more efficient than Green? Do you have any proof if you switched them Wall would have higher TS than Green? Thats not a fact thats just your opinion.

A fact has to be black and white. Jalen having higher TS% is a fact. You using league average to try to undo facts is just your opinion.

You tell me I hate facts when you literally have no clue what a fact is. Just keep quiet smh.

 

I honestly don't even believe that you really think any of the stuff you've said, you're just SO dug in against anything involving math or god forbid analytics that you will literally argue that 6 is smaller than 4. A Player with a TS of 50% when the league average is 45% is very efficient, a player with a TS of 50% when the league average of 55% is not efficient at all. I don't believe that you can't comprehend that.

 

So how exactly is it "not doing anything well" to have done something almost nobody in NBA history has done? Just wondering because it seems more like you're talking out your ass and then trying to scramble since being called out on it? I don't usually agree with astrosrule and his efficiency obsession but he's got you looking silly saying you'd take the infinitely less efficient player lol.

 

You are the dumb one here thats not a fact thats just your opinion. Both leagues are different why do you act like the peer of Wall is the same quality as the peer of Jalen? The only thing you can prove is Wall is closer to the average of his era than Green is to the average of era but that doesnt mean Wall's era is equal or better than Green's.

4 is smaller than 6? You are the one trying to argue 51% is somehow better than 54%. Projection?

 

Congrats, you caught a typo. Well done! I fixed it for ya. I said nothing about who’s better (obviously wall is miles better than jalen has ever been, not sure anyone on earth would argue). I was just trying to help you understand how to compare efficiency across eras.

 

Man you just got clowned just keep quiet.

 

haha you'll learn someday man, don't give up

 

Huh?

Bro Jalen has 54% TS and Wall has 51% TS. How is Jalen the infinitely less efficient player?

League average is just that, league average. If you are comparing league averages of Jalen and Wall, you would need a proper comparison first of both leagues to see which one is harder. Today's era people have knowledge of analytics so thats why players are lot more efficient and the talent level of NBA has gone up as well boosting the league average even more. You have to account for that and not just say because Wall is closer to his league average he is somehow more efficient than Green. Green does have knowledge of analytics and he does benefit from advances of todays technology so he is objectively more efficient than Wall as shown by their TS. Using league average to somehow make him worse when both are playing in diff leagues makes zero sense to me.

What if both players are at the top of their league average does that automatically mean they are equally good? If not then obv this way of comparison sucks.

 

What I learned is you have no clue what a fact is. Tell me again how 4 is smaller than 6 supposed to be a point of argument.

 

You got zero clue how to compare efficiency across eras. You cant even get past what is a fact.

 

A player who's TS is 4% below league average is more efficient than a player who's TS is 6% below league average. It's fairly simple IMO.