The "franchise player" debate has been settled. It's Amen.

deserves its own franchise player thread

 

Did Alpi & Amen draft themselves?

 

You liked our seed? We were 2nd in a brutal WC. Did this roster assimilate itself?

 

Amen!

 

Amen will have the opportunity to guard Durant in practice. Durant has shown no qualms teaching young players. Amen's defense will progress even faster than it would have if we didn't get Durant.

 

With the recent John Wall retirement, I'm watching some of his youtube highlights. Honestly I can see Wall as a comp for who Amen can be on offense even if he never becomes a 3pt shooter. I think if he makes market improvements on his handles, a fully realized mid-ranger/floater game, and a set corner 3 shot, he's All-NBA next season and the Rockets can compete for a title.

 

That's actually not a bad comp playstyle wise. Wall actually takes a lot of slander, in his short-lived prime he was one of the elite PG's in the league. I could definitely see Amen as a taller but similar lightning fast drive and dish PG. People forget John Wall's one of the few people with 3 or more seasons averaging 10 or more assists. You can't actually do that by accident, no matter what people like to pretend.

 

Wall doesnt have winning basketball mentality (ironic since he **** talked Jalen and KPJ about winning). Wall had all the tools to be an elite defender but never paid attention to defense. Amen is much better than him.

Also with KD we can already compete for a title. Thats the entire reason we brought him in lol.

 

Actually read what he wrote though, he was literally just talking about the offensive play style, not whether Wall was a better player or anything to do about his defense...

 

based solely on offensive play style, does John Wall really resemble Amen's alot more than Giannis, Wade, Rose, or Butler?

 

No, Wall's (and the rest) are all vastly superior to Amen in offensive play style. What he said was "a comp on what Amen COULD be, if he never develops a 3 pt shot" and if Amen could get his processing speed to prime Wall level with the pace he played at on drive and dish but with Amen's personality and defense? Yeah that's a top 10 or higher player even if he never develops a decent jump shot. Y'all really need to learn to read though, it's embarrassing as **** watching you persistently argue against things that were never said.

 

so you're sayin they are better than AMen. But we can't say AMen is better than Wall,

LOL

 

No that's not what I said. Again, LEARN TO READ. I don't know why you even bother quoting people if you're not going to answer what they wrote and instead just want to keep answering the voices in your own head...

 

In John Wall's best season, 2016-2017, he went 23-11-4 on 54.1% TS and 32.7% from 3 for 8.8 WS at a .149 WS/48 clip.

In Amen Thompson's rookie season, he matched that .149 WS/48 already. In his sophomore season, he put up 8.0 WS on 60.2% TS and 27.5% from 3, with a .172 WS/48.

It's a bit apples to oranges because of the defense, Amen Thompson is on a completely different planet in terms of career trajectory than John Wall. Maybe you can take Wall's slashing and finishing ability and match it to Amen's, and project that Amen's drive-and-kick passes will get to the level of Wall's. I think that's reasonable. But you would have to take that aspect of Wall's game and then attach it to a Prime Marion or Prime Kawhi-level defender.

What it adds up to is someone with more of a career arc of a bigger longer version of Gary Payton or Clyde Drexler. Or if you want to downsize a bit, Giannis. That is the level of player we are talking about with Amen Thompson. He is going to end up a top 75 player in NBA history already, with what he's showing us today. That is also banking on his basketball character, which we already know is tops on the team along with KD and Sengun.

If we win a championship the next 3 years, I predict Amen will be the best player on such a team.

 

Well I would argue Wall was just an empty stat stuffer even with his offensive playstyle. If we look at Wall's stats he makes Jalen look like Harden efficiency wise, Wall has a career TS% of 51%. He is athletic and can do lots of things but he doesnt do anything well since he cant score efficiently. Whats the point of all those herky jerky and athletic plays if the ball is clanking at the rim?

Amen is better since he actually scores efficiently. The only thing missing with him is his shooting, if he learns to shoot fts to above 80% and threes above 33% the league is done.

 

Wall as a wizard had a TS that was 4% below league average. Jalen green has a career TS 6% below league average. Factually (i know you hate that), wall is closer to harden efficiency wise than jalen is.

 

What are you even trying to get by lying?
Jalen Green TS: 54%
John Wall Wizards TS: 51.9%

Factually Jalen is the more efficient player.

 

My god man, they played in different eras. Who exactly are you trying to trick with this? The league average was way lower when wall was playing, he was more efficient than jalen, that's in inarguable fact.

 

So shooting at a lower efficiency makes him more efficient than Jalen? Hows that a fact that literally the opposite of facts.

What does the league average have to do with anything? It means players were less efficient back then collectively doesnt mean Jalen is now suddenly less efficient. Maybe check up what facts are supposed to be.

 

So just to confirm, you're ignoring the ACTUAL achieving several seasons averaging over 10 assists a game and discounting it completely because "If he learns?" Just so I know what we're talking about, seems a bit weird is all?