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  1. dobro1229

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    2 questions-

    -Which Democrats specifically are overreacting in a way that hurts democrats and helps Trump?

    -How does it benefit Democrats to ignore the fascisty stuff because they know Trump is trying to provocate?
     
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  2. deb4rockets

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    Trump is a walking talking hypocrite when it comes to fighting crime. He just wants a military state, where the military are his to use how, when, and where he wants, and against anyone he wants, without approval from anyone. He makes that more obvious every day.

    I only listed a few of many examples from the article, but when it comes to police and community support in fighting crime, the cuts speak a different story than Trump tries to portray.

    DOJ Funding Update:
    A Deeper Look at the Cuts


    The trickle of cancellations became a deluge on April 22, when DOJ terminated 365 awards on the basis that the work “no longer effectuates Department priorities.” According to funding termination notices sent to grantees, those priorities include “combatting violent crime, protecting American children, and supporting American victims of trafficking and sexual assault, and better coordinating law enforcement efforts at all levels of government.”

    The cuts include $71.7 million to policing and prosecution programs, including longstanding efforts to address violent crime and acts of targeted violence.

    The Administration also defunded the State and Local Anti-Terrorism Training (SLATT) program, which helps equip law enforcement and prosecutors to identify, investigate, and interdict potential acts of domestic and international terrorism, targeted violence, and hate crimes.

    The Administration terminated the Rural Violent Crime Reduction Initiative, a program that funds intermediary organizations that deliver financial assistance directly to dozens of rural law enforcement agencies. These funds allow agencies to upgrade technology and equipment, hire and deploy personnel, support victim services and crime prevention programming, and fill other gaps in policing resources.21 These pass-through funds were eliminated, as was at least one direct award to a rural law enforcement agency.

    There were around $137 million in cuts to programs designed to protect and support youth, including efforts to safeguard children against abuse and neglect. Terminated grants include funding for the regional child advocacy center that trains and assists professionals in investigating, prosecuting, and treating child abuse in 13 western states.

    https://counciloncj.org/doj-funding-update-a-deeper-look-at-the-cuts/
     
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  3. Xenon

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    Yet more heinous **** from the party of demons.

    Ask yourself this question. Do you think any dead Nazis are in heaven? I don't. I'm sure no one does, yet this is the path many of you follow.
     
  4. Xerobull

    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum

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    P is far more dangerous than you realize. Random P can haunt you decades later.
     
  5. CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul

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    That’s the winning formula for winning hearts and minds and…..ELECTIONS. Keep it up with the Nazis accusations
     
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  6. Xenon

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    We are way past that. We don't want to have anything to do with your diseased minds?
     
  7. JuanValdez

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    Bit off-topic, but if my church is right about the existence and character of God, I would think there would be Nazis in heaven. Not because they love Nazism but because all people are sinners and all sin can be forgiven through the cross if you believe in Jesus. Though it seems unlikely that Trump will be among them since he said "Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes? I work hard, I'm an honorable person."
     
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    And that is why your party is a forever loser with woke shiitheads like you who hasn’t a clue. Good luck in winning another election loser. Lol
     
  9. DaDakota

    DaDakota Fight Facism
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    The GOP is the NAZI party.

    Call em what they are....Nazis.

    DD
     
  10. Os Trigonum

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    fify
     
  11. El_Conquistador

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    I think Trump wants to secure the big cities and prevent crime mainly to help urban families, but importantly, he wants to prevent the type of George Floyd riots that put so much pressure on urban areas. Unfortunately, Democrats use riots and violent protests as a tactics to influence public opinion. Trump is taking away a key tool of Democrats by preventing these riots, violence, and property damage.

    Trump is also proving to inner city voters that all this time Democrats have ruled these areas but failed to secure their constituents. Trump is proving that Republican policy gets results -- and the people will benefit more from this good governance, than under the incompetent watch of Democrats.


    GOOD DAY
     
  12. Deckard

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    You are a liar, just like your hero.
     
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  13. Nook

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    Well - I know Pritzker has compared sending the national guard to Chicago as being what a Nazi would do. There have been others as well, this type of rhetoric does not help the Democrats at all. They have used it for over 8 years now and people are desensitized to it.

    Every time the Democrat establishment or one of their voices scream "fascist" or "Nazi" and claim that the sky is falling --- and the sky doesn't fall is a time where the Democrats lose credibility with a lot of people. Of course, Trump knows this, and he knows that part of the need is to condition the public for accepting the usurpation of power.

    The one one's that I have really seen be effective from the Democratic side is Gavin Newsom and to a lesser degree Governor Pritzker. Sanders and AOC deserve credit for actually trying - but most of the rest have done nothing positive to counteract Trump.

    The Democrats - even Newsom - have largely just been reactionary. Newsome however has made strides and Pritzker has at least called out the media as being complicit.

    The Democrats also at some point have to realize that there is a large segment of the country, including people that the party has typically done well with -- that strongly support law and order, and will tolerate some degree of misconduct and trampling of the civil rights of others, if they feel their families are protected. Trump gets this, and it is why his actions in the George Floyd riots, his claims of caravans coming to the border, and calling out of cartels and even police actions have helped him in popularity.

    For example, Kilmar Garcia. This is a loser issue for the Democrats. The guy probably isn't in a gang, and he probably shouldn't be deported -- but most American's see a guy with a history of domestic violence, that isn't viewed as some exceptional citizen and wasn't here legally when he came here -- so they don't care if he is sent somewhere else.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    It is NAZI methodology, and it is 100% apt, Trump is literally following Hitler's playbook.


    I dunno, I think you call out truth where you can see it.....you can't be afraid of it, you point it out, and ADD solutions, you call it unamerican.

    The problem is that most Americans are IGNORANT of what Facism is - they think Democratic socialism is communism because by and large the GOP has a bunch of ignorance at it's base - not educated - they aren't stupid, they just don't know any better and are gullible and easily led.


    FEAR is a powerful tool and people are scared, FACTS works but only if they are paying attention and many are not, you have to mock the bullshit, make it a joke - and point out the FACTS tell more of the story than the lies based GOP.

    The play there is losing rights - EPSTEIN is far more important, we need to lean into the VICTIMS stories - and focus on not listening to criminals and paint this regime as the MOB bosses who are robbing all of us blind.

    I believe you win by pointing out TRUTHS - they said THIS, yet did this......THEY are stealing, Trump enriched himself, Trump is an accused Pedophile, Law and order means you hold everyone accountable, and that they are GIVING OUR MONEY to the billionaires making all of us subservient...

    DD
     
  15. dobro1229

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    How many independent voters tuned into what Pritzker had to say yesterday and said “you know what… those democrats are using too much Nazi scare tactic language and now I’m not going to vote Democrat because what Trump is doing isn’t at all fascistic”??

    Anyone saying that is already someone like the MAGA posters here trying to gaslight you so you essentially self censor and sleepwalk your way into authoritarianism.

    Yes some actual independent voters do have generalizations made about Democrats (ie they are all defund the police socialists) but those generalizations are not made by one press conference. They are made by Fox News and social media propaganda that reaches them. Therefore they were already basically right wing voters who maybe just maybe could vote Dem if the stars align.

    If these voters don’t see anything wrong with what Trump is doing guess what… they are already very very likely Trump voters and not who Democrats need to be focused on anyways and they DEFINITELY are not voters moved by Jamie Pritzker if only just only he talks about health care instead of talking about the state he governs that is about to get invaded by federalized national guard troops.

    Nook I know people like to think of themselves as independents so they feel like they need to bash “democrats” in a generalized way but come on man… this is kind of ridiculous. We are allowed to have an opinion about Trump sending federal troops into blue cities man. Let’s stop being CNN election pundits and allow ourselves to call a spade a spade.

    The bad thing sometimes is just bad.
     
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    Wait until trump "federalizes" the random P's and has them carry sidearms.
     
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  17. SamFisher

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    This is a bunch of nonsense - basically James carville / David Shor level of analysis

    First off most of your generalizations are just wrong and entirely unsupported.


    People - especially people who are going to or willing to vote for Democrats - want Democrats TO LEAD not to follow a bunch of polls around triangulating into a nonexistent center.

    That is the overarching lesson of the Biden years. Stunts work, good policy goes unrewarded.

    Trump is a deeply unpopular president who has not delivered on any of his promises that got popular support - prices are going up, the economy is shitiert, all because of - HIM.

    There is none - zero - nada - political penalty for vehemently opposing an extreme unpopular and divisive president WHO IS ALSO deeply dangerous and unfit abd literally trying to destroy the US.

    The torture campaign against Kilmar Garcia HURTS Trump and moved opinion against him. I know this because it did! Public opinion is not immutably handed down by Gallup - it can and must and will change in reaction to events. The job of Democratic leaders is to help LEAD PUBLIC OPINION where we want it to go

    Nobody need overthink this. Fight Trump every day on everything. He is unpopular, unfit, unamerican and a terrible human.

    This is a layup - you don't need a consultant
     
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    yep. Because it worked so very, very well the first time around. :rolleyes:
     
  19. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    There mistake is not focusing on working class families and focusing on how Trump's actions hurts them.

    Flag burning is a distraction issue - let the courts handle it. Immigration - the Dems should focus on process. You want to deport people - fine. But do it the right way. Make sure we arent shooting ourselves in the foot either. Why is it bad to send troops into cities? Because it's A) a ridiculously expensive way to fight crime and B) disrupts commerce in cities which hurts everyone in and out of cities.

    Wild gov't cuts is saving pennies but slowing the economy down, while the deficit balloons to help rich people more, and tariffs compound all that into looming stagflation.

    Dems need to stay on message, as well as develop a plan for how they would fix things. They need to convince Americans that capitalism is great but is it fair that workers are getting paid and squeezed so executive can all be super rich? Chinese aren't making life hard on Americans, it's our system. Trump is doubling down on the system that makes life hard. The solution is to provide relief. What's the pathway to affordable housing? Education? health care?

    Make America Affordable Again.
     
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