Durant traded to Houston for Green, Brooks, #10 pick, and multiple 2nd rounders

Is that a prediction?

....Because up to this point all the data we have doesn't support that in any way.

 

You need to make sure you're following whichever metric astrosrule/Morey have decided is the be all and end all to support his bias first.

 

No, he’s very old. You can look at any impact metric and it’s not close to what it used to be. It’s the same for all super old players.

 

They'll contend for worst team in the league as always, Wemby is the only quality player on their roster

 

You said any impact metric, so I looked at PIE and it doesn't indicate a player who is a "shell of what he once was"...

Which impact metrics are you referring to? Can you give an example of one?

 

Wrong and wrong...

KD is still one of the best closers in the game.He can get his own shot at anytime, and remains one of the greatest shooters to ever pick up a basketball. 50/40/90
Even with Durant toning down his game so as to stay healthy, he's a top 10 - 12 player.
And, gives us exactly what we were missing.

As to compensation...because of his age, salary, and desired location, we had ALL the leverage.
IMO we bid against ourselves a bit. #10 and filler should have been the max offer.
As much as I've hammered on JG, he still had more value than most think. Don't let PHX fool you by asking for the moon and then pretending to gauge Jalen's value.
They wanted him.
I'd say, even with the contract, he was worth 2-3 late firsts.
Add in #10, and Dillon....
We gave up the equivalent of 5 late firsts.
Am I happy we got KD? Yes, I'm ecstatic.
But, we gave up more than some will acknowledge.

 

Suns will be lucky to get a 1st round pick for Jalen

 

Like I said, you need to look at the specific metrics he's deemed as the important ones. That's how these metrics nerds work, they just go with whichever one backs their conclusion. It's also how you know all of these "catch all" metrics are nonsense, because they throw out way too HUGE a variance on who is good or not to be considered 1.Factual or 2."statistics" at all. It's just a game of who can make the cleverest sounding convoluted principle that supports their argument. I wouldn't be surprised if most of them didn't start by coming up with their rankings and then just reverse engineering the math to make it fit lmao.

 

I think that is a bit hyperbolic. Fox is a good player, but way overpaid. Vassle is also a good player. I agree with you that Castle sucks and Harper won’t be very good for a few years. Sochan would be a good energy guy off the bench. They should have passed on Fox and tanked another year, although they still won’t compete for a playoff spot with the current roster.

 

This year yes but you never know with the 2nd Apron who would fire sale like Boston again.....it happens every year.

I agree that if they want to attract better players the Spurs have to put together 1 good season, 1 good season would be enough if things go well.

Castle just won Rookie of the Year and people are ready to stamp him a sucker........I am not that biased.

 

stat geeks will tell u Jokic is better than Hakeem because of *insert 3 letter acronyms and other random advanced stats

the worst is when they try and talk about individual defense

atp I just smirk and then move on

 

Developing Wemby is more critical than tanking. People on this board were flipping out about Amen being limited to playing the 2nd most minutes of all sophomores (would have been 1st if he was healthier). I can't imagine what it would be like in San Antonio if they decided to take a course that included playing Wemby less intentionally.

Tanking was not an option until Wemby got hurt. Once that happened, San Antonio showed their tanking ways. Even then, Wemby had won enough games early that they still coasted to 34 wins. San Antonio's problem now is a more severe version of what plagued the Rockets last season....too many non-shooters, weak shooters.

 

By most metrics, they were net negative players last season, their raw stats look decent, but their actual impact to games wasn't positive. They are young for the most part, so we'll see if they improve, but I wouldn't want any of them on the Rockets.

 

I think the inconsistent Defensive effort after Wemby went down is what ails them more......

You have seen with the Magic albeit in the EC what a below average Offense and an elite Defense can bring.....

Whoever is near a Top 10 Defense would still have a shot at the Top 6 spot. Plus young teams have to start winning on the Road.....

 

In a lot of ways they are opposites, Hakeem's biggest impact was on defense, Jokic's biggest impact is on offense. Hakeem was nowhere near as good offensively as Jokic is, and Jokic is nowhere near the defensive player Hakeem was. They are both all-time greats, so it's not like the discussion is disrespectful to either.

 

Few Rockets fans actually like Durant the dude. But he, even at his age, is undeniably a much better player than Jalen Green. So that's that. It doesn't matter whether he's overrated or not. What matters is him being better than what we give up in the trade.

 

I see 5 teams in that limbo inbetween Play In and Lottery. No specific order
(Yes, I see JG and Brooks falling out)

• Memphis (GSW or Lakers or Timberwolves injuries)
• Dallas
• Sacramento
• Portland
• San Antonio

 

You said i'm wrong and then said he's in the 10-12 range, so you agree with me that he's a shell of what he used to be. He was a solid MVP level player at his peak, typically in the 2-3 range behind lebron and sometimes curry in the league. The gap between 2 and 12 is MASSIVE. Right now the 2-3 range is giannis/shai, if you look at the 10-12 range that's 3rd team all nba guys like kat/harden/jalen williams, etc. He's still a very good player, no doubt, but you yourself said here that he's a shell of what he used to be in his prime. There's no shame in that, he's old.

 

His usefulness was.

Green for all his mishaps here, was a 82 game player who could be benched without much moaning......and can be ridden by the coach when he has his mean streak.

Durant can't be really benched in a tight game or else he is feeling another way. Udoka would not bench him.

 

Green got benched a few times (should have been A LOT more) because he's absolutely terrible at basketball....Durant isn't terrible at basketball, even though he's old now, so there'd be no reason to bench him.