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Trump Orders National Guard Into Washington, Takes Over D.C. Police

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by FrontRunner, Aug 11, 2025.

  1. rimrocker

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    I agree with this. At the same time, there is a strong counter.

    Conquering is different than consolidation and control. Right now, we're in the conquering phase, which is the easiest part for an authoritarian--and the most visible. But shock and awe only last until people get used to it and begin to understand what is happening. At that point, counter insurgencies start. The really hard work for any authoritarian begins after that first phase. After a blitz, bringing some normalcy and acceptance to the country is really difficult and these guys don't seem programmed to do a lot of hard work, much less confront reality. It's even more difficult when the whole thing is built on a cult of personality. Because of this, most authoritarians fail--Augustine being the primary example of how to do it successfully, but these guys are reading Mein Kampf instead of studying Roman history like our Founders did when they tried to program against it with checks and balances. Plus, Augustine was smart. How long the end takes is always a question, as is the amount of damage they will do, but these guys will inevitably fail because reality reaches a point where it cannot be ignored or glossed over or memed away or redistricted.
     
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  2. krosfyah

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    This isn't conquering, IMO. Conquering happens when an outsider, not a native, comes in and overthrows a government with the military.

    This is consolidation and built from within. This is how Putin did it. This is how Sudam Hussain did it.

    Many authoritarian regimes started as a democracy, and they took power from the inside/out.

    Once you take control, most of the citizens still "feel" like they are in a democracy and therefore are powerless to overthrow it. People go about their daily lives and things change slowly over time. You might be right that Trump can't hold onto power but I'm not sure why you feel that way. You seem optimistic. Cause there is one outcome that once he's consolidated power, it's nearly impossible to regain it without all-out revolution. Once Trump ceases control of the election machine, it's game over. That is the LAST shoe to drop. Maybe he's too incompetent to hold onto power but I have no idea why you think that. Liberals have been under-estimating Trump since 2017.
     
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    Donald Trump's Approval Rating Goes Underwater on Every Issue

    Published Aug 19, 2025 at 8:08 AM EDT

    On immigration, one of his signature campaign themes, 47 percent approve while 51 percent disapprove.

    Trump's approval on immigration has seen the biggest drop since January, declining by 19 points.

    Foreign policy also registers negative marks, with 44 percent approving and 49 percent disapproving. Trump performs worst on tariffs, where only 41 percent approve of his approach and 53 percent disapprove.

    On the economy and foreign policy, his net approval rating has declined by 15 and 16 points, respectively.

    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-approval-rating-polls-issues-2115530



    Donald Trump’s approval rating | The Economist

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    https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker
     
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  4. dobro1229

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    Completely agree.
     
  5. Rocket River

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    Liberals . . .. They have . .. and that is the BEST CASE Scenario
    The worse is they are complicit
    but
    I think they are in the middle. . . Incompetent

    I think a major question will be . . . .*IF* he consolidates power
    what happens when he dies?

    I often have asked people what would it take for them to take up arms
    and generally speaking . .. i don't think anything could make people
    get to the point of arms . . . . . nothing short to outright slavery and barbarism

    Rocket River
     
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  6. Commodore

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    That is great - but that isn't really the question.
     
  8. krosfyah

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    1st. He's 90% done consolidating power. The only thing left is to eliminate free and fare elections, which he's nearly done with that. If he chooses to run for a 3rd term, which he's already said he's considering, then that's it. Game over. It's a full autocracy.

    I agree that full-scale revolution, the likes of the US Independence seems remote ...which is why stopping Trump now before the abolishes the ability to have a fair election is essential. There is a very very very long history of what happens after a king is dead. Ask Kim Jong Un (The Supreme Leader) how that works.
     
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  9. Nook

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    Who knew sending soldiers into a town would keep people off the street.

    The question is whether it is proper, how long he intends to keep them there and when is he going to send them into Tulsa and Miami.
     
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  10. krosfyah

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    There isn't much crime in North Korea as well.
     
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  11. El_Conquistador

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    Will the liberals apologize when crime rates plummet and the people of DC can live free of fear? I can't imagine living with your family in and around drugs, crime, violence, etc. These people deserve safety.


    GOOD DAY
     
  12. Rocket River

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    Honestly I think that is why there are Troops in DC Now
    So that when he does it later . . .. people won't blink
    Esp around election time
    and
    If he loses the election around inuagaration time

    He will probably put troops in KEY CITIES as voter intimidation tactics

    Rocket River
     
  13. krosfyah

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    There isn't much crime in North Korea. Do you those folks "feel safe?"

    How about the America citizens and legal residents that have been ripped from their cars and sent to El Salvador or to Alligator Alcatraz? You think they feel safe? How about the elected congress woman from Texas who's still locked in the capital building. Think she's feeling safe?

    For the 100th time as I respond to you. It isn't WHAT Trump is doing It's HOW he's doing it.
     
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  14. Commodore

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    You are comparing Washington DC to North Korea? That's just absurd and uninformed. Citizens of North Korea do not have free speech, a free press, freedom of religion, access to the internet, the ability to travel outside of the country, or even the ability to start a business.

    Your need to exaggerate so much just destroys your credibility. No cred. Trump sent in the National Guard, like many other blue state governors have done, to restore order and give safety to the people of DC. It was done with good intentions. And it's yet another example of Republicans trying to fix Democrat-created problems.


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  16. ROCKSS

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    IMO this is a total FU for trying to get him impeached and when big balls got the crap beat out of him he changed his tune on DC after congratulating them just months earlier. IMO the Natl guard should never be in the equation unless a real emergency happens of some type of mass riot................this is simply a bully doing bullying things because he can and his base eats it up. I wont be shocked if Chicago is next and I highly doubt the red states who are in the top 10 of crime will be affected....................this is all political theatre at this point, if a year from now we have them in 8-10 cities I think we know what's happening
     
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  17. krosfyah

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    It's not an exaggeration to compare one autocrat to another.

    Nobody is arguing that fighting crime is bad. But there is a right and wrong way to go about things. Deploying the military against your own citizens is the wrong way.
     
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  19. deb4rockets

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    Agree.
     
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    Do you think Trump gives a crap about an article like this?

    He's going to keep on saving lives. The Dems that run DC have made it an unsafe city. Trump's going to bring law and order back to DC and he's broken no laws accomplishing this. What I cant believe is that anybody would be against stopping the killing and making the streets safer. But I guess that's where the libs stand today.
     
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