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republican gerrymandering

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Mar 6, 2021.

  1. rimrocker

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    They've tried several times. Every time, every Republican votes against it.
     
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  2. JuanValdez

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    I do feel a lot of contempt for people who knew the position didn't pay much despite being vital to our democracy, but took the role anyway, only to reveal they didn't have the resolve to go the distance.
     
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  3. Rocket River

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    Here is the problem
    Give the Republicans the SAME set up . . . and they get **** done

    Rocket River
     
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  4. Rocket River

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    QUESTION: What have the Democrats ever REALLY Blocked the republicans from doing?

    So far the most I have found is that they made it "not as bad as it could have been"

    Rocket River
     
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    If you zoom out, this country is founded on liberal principles, "We The People", and has evolved significantly from the days of slavery or that women couldn't vote.

    The problem is that liberals have a broad set of beliefs about fairness and equality but that manifests itself in various ways, minorities, animals, trees, earth, children, etc etc etc. So the liberal causes are very broad. People who support saving trees are not the same people that believe in equitable treatment of minorities. It's hard to make a clear plan around so many issues.

    Conservatives have one issue. "The Democrats are evil and must be stopped". There is a very simple problem and common enemy. It's really no more sophisticated than that. As such, they have a very targeted plan. Defeat the Democrats.
     
  6. Kim

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    Most Lege members are wealthy. Should have appealed the state judge ruling against Beto to fed courts. SCOTUS has been all about freedom of money in politics for decades. But I'm not a Dem strategist.
     
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  7. Kim

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    Bathroom bill in 2018, I think, but back then there was a split between business Repubs and social warrior Repubs. Abbott wouldn't full force endorse that gambit. Might be different now, as pro-business libertarian slant Repubs are like 25% of the party imo.
     
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  8. DaDakota

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    Yep 2021, they tried to vote it out, and every GOP member voted against it while every democrat voted for it.

    Now, **** IT, Gerrymander until all of these KNEE BENDING traitors on the GOP side are held accountable then pass a bill to make it illegal and go back to fair districts.

    The GOP has been gerrymandering for years - time to teach them a lesson.

    DD
     
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  9. krosfyah

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    Unfortunately, the GOP is correct that it's actually the liberals that started this fight and actually have been the strongest advocates of gerrymandering. Back in the civil rights era, many districts were gerrymandered with the explicit result to add more black representation. The intention was good but found to be unconstitutional cause you can't make law/policy based on race alone. That is a slippery slope.

    So the GOP argument is what is good for the goose is good for the gander. So suck it.

    The Dems only recourse is to maintain the high road but the Dems don't have the moral authority.

    I think this issue needs a constitutional amendment that is driven by the people, not the politicians. Politicians have an incentive to cook the books in their favor. The decision to create these maps should be removed from the legislative branch. It probably should reside in the judiciary branch, for lack of any better place for this to go. The fact that each state gets to make it's own voting rules is also bonkers. If there is a federal election, there should be federal rules, not 50 state rules.
     
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  10. Rocket River

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    That never seems to happen in reverse when the Democrats have the house and senate and presidence
    There are ALWAYS democratic turncoats

    Rocket River
     
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    I don't think that's enough to dismiss the personal cost of the quorum break. Nor is it true enough to maintain a quorum. My own rep, Lauren Ashley Simmons didn't come from wealth and her job probably earns her less than $100k/year. I'm sure the cost of maintaining a quorum break like this would be very burdensome for her. But, that doesn't blunt any of my criticism. She is one of only a small group of people in a position to stop a very unethical and irreversible wound to democracy. So I expect her to put her finances on the line if she wants this role. Secret Service agents throw their bodies in front of the president to catch a bullet. Firefighters run into burning buildings. I don't want her to be financially ruined anymore than I want a firefighter to be crushed in a collapsing WTC building. But when there is a crisis, the people in position to make a difference need to step up.
     
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  12. Kim

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    It would have been another $15k per person. The national Dems seem to rather want Texas to do this to force Cali hands instead of drawing the line in Texas. The Paxton initiated state law judicial block is unconstitutional imo.
     
  13. Kim

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    You are adding somewhat correct info, but it's more complicated than that. The Reagan GOP actually supported racial gerrymandering and the Dems didn't. It flipped afterwards. It's a good complicated discussion to be had, the Constitutionality of it all. It's going to SCOTUS this next term.
     
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    Definitely. Both sides have done it. But liberals started it and have continuously done so when given the opportunity.

    But as usual, leave it to the GOP to respond with "hold my beer".

    However, it should be noted that what is happening THIS time is different. This isn't just an isolated thing of trying to manipulate votes. This time, it's part of a broad effort to consolidate executive power. THIS time it is about Trump trying to mimic Putin's success.

    Trump literally took advice from Putin in Alaska about eliminating mail-in voting. Why is Trump taking advice from Putin? Hmmmm.
     
  15. rimrocker

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    The question before us is not gerrymandering, but gerrymandering now, between Census years and when the party advocating gerrymandering is doing so in the hopes of preventing a loss in the next midterm election.

    The history of gerrymandering is long and complex, but only one party has ever tried to redraw lines between Census years for instant political gain. It's a horrible precedent--thanks Tom DeLay--and one that will further erode democracy and reduce the power of all voters regardless of party.

    Meanwhile, an elected Democrat is imprisoned in the state capital building.
     
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    Is this clown serious?

    what a joke and a disgrace

    Greg Abbott needs to step down and walk away
     
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    he kinda can’t. Unless he’s been faking it this whole time.
     
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    WTF...............these alpha males need to lock a lady in the capital, wow, what a bunch of tough guys :rolleyes:
     
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    They are trying to get lots of badges from Trump for their brown shirts. One for locking up a Democrat, with 2 extra medals for a brown skin, and a woman.
     
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