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Corrupt, Convicted Criminal President Proposes Giving American Territory to Putin bc Reasons

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Aug 13, 2025.

  1. astros123

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    Lmao I just cant help but laugh at how utterly stupid these people are. They think the guy that rolled out the red carpet for Putin and spewed his talking points is somehow strong and bringing EU leaders together. Its just too damn funny how brainwashed these people are.

    EU leaders are coming bcz of the lack of leadership from your orange messiah not the other way around. Thank you again for making me laugh by showing just how utterly brainwashed you cultists are.
     
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    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    LOL traitor pedophile. Schtick is old and weak, you need to @ your boyfriends so they can come help you out with your dementia ramblings about liberals.
     
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    @deb4rockets

    Why in the world would UKR give up land that RU hasnt take yet while at the same time de militarize?
     
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  4. Jugdish

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    I'm curious to know how you became such a peacenik after 20 years of brewing fondue in your silk boxers at the very thought of dead Iraqi children.
     
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  5. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    It is a sign of maturity to be able to evolve on issues. When I came to the realization that the Deep State was 1) Dishonest/manipulative; 2) in favor of forever war... then it changed the perspective. So many people are still falling for the programming... whether it's the liberals with Ukrainian flags bumper stickers or the tiny group of remaining John Bolton/McCain/Cheney Republicans. Trump forced the Deep State to overplay their hand and reveal their approach... and in so doing, also exposed them. There you go!


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  6. Jugdish

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    I look forward to your continued maturity and hope to be invited to your Quinceañera.
     
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  7. astros123

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    Because none of these cultists have a original thought in their head. The only thing they know what to do is rehabilitate their cult leader. If trump decided to send soliders into Ukraine they'd be his biggest defender.

    No morals no values nothing.
     
  8. Deckard

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    Why are you for a Second Munich?

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    Why Munich 1938 concessions to Nazi Germany haunt Washington 2025 talks
    Vladimir Putin’s desire to grab Ukraine’s key defensive lines echoes how Adolf Hitler secured Czechoslovakia’s fortifications.

    Handing over massive fortification lines to an expansionist neighbor hellbent on destroying your state tends to be a bad idea.


    In 1938, ceding the Sudetenland and its dense network of forts, forests and trenches led to the rapid collapse of Czechoslovakia's ability to defend itself against Nazi Germany. There are fears in Europe that Kyiv's ability to resist Russia will be similarly devastated if Donald Trump — swayed by Russian President Vladimir Putin — presses Ukraine to hand over key defensive lines in its eastern Donbas region.

    This danger is at the forefront of Volodymyr Zelenskyy's mind as he meets with Trump in Washington on Monday following the U.S. president's meeting last week with Putin. While Trump may see a slice of the Donbas as a bone to throw to Putin to secure a deal, Zelenskyy knows such a concession would represent less of a peace deal and more of a springboard for the Russians to charge further into the heart of Ukraine.

    “It is crucial for Europe not to turn this into another Munich or Yalta moment,” Tomáš Kopecký, Czech government commissioner for the reconstruction of Ukraine, told POLITICO, referring to Western betrayal of the Czechs at the Munich summit of 1938, and the selling out of Central and Eastern Europe to Joseph Stalin in Yalta in 1945.

    Trump reportedly said he believed Putin would agree to a peace deal ending the war if Ukraine hands over the whole of Donetsk and Luhansk provinces in the east; Russia occupies almost all of Luhansk and three-quarters of Donetsk.

    A defiant Zelenskyy says he won't do that.

    “We will not leave Donbas. We cannot do this. Donbas for the Russians is a springboard for a future new offensive,” Zelenskyy told journalists in Kyiv last week.

    Military analysts also warn that any concessions in Donbas could have devastating consequences on the battlefield.

    According to the Institute for the Study of War, the Kremlin is demanding that Ukraine hand over what Ukrainians call their “fortress belt” — a defensive line based on heavily fortified cities that runs through hills, woodlands and along rivers that has served as the backbone of their defenses since 2014.

    "Ukraine has spent the last 11 years pouring time, money, and effort into reinforcing the fortress belt and establishing significant defense industrial and defensive infrastructure in and around these cities," said the institute.

    If that happens, Russia would move its frontline roughly 80 kilometers further west, while Ukraine would be forced to build new defenses on flat and open terrain in neighboring Kharkiv and Dnipropetrovsk — far harder to hold than the fortified cities it controls now.

    "If today we leave Donbas, from our fortifications, from our terrain, from the heights that we control, we will clearly open a bridgehead for preparing an offensive by the Russians," Zelenskyy warned.

    ISW agrees. A ceasefire on those terms would give Moscow “a much more advantageous launching point for a future offensive” and shows Putin’s “continued disinterest in good-faith negotiations.”

    It's not the first time that external powers are keen to ram through a potentially unfavorable deal to prevent a war.

    In September 1938, Adolf Hitler argued that handing over the ethnic-German majority Sudetenland region to the Reich would satisfy his ambitions and end the threat of war in Europe. France and Britain agreed, and browbeat Prague into accepting. Hitler — whose word was as reliable as Putin's — said he had no further territorial ambitions.

    Czechoslovakia had spent several years building thousands of pillboxes, blockhouses and fortresses in the forested and mountainous region — staffed by a modern and well-equipped army of 1.2 million. Germany took it all without firing a shot.

    In March 1939, German troops swept into the rest of the country with the Czech army unable to put up any resistance.

    (more at the link)
    https://www.politico.eu/article/don...a-war-in-ukraine-adolf-hitler-czechoslovakia/
     
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    It's honestly absurd at this point to think that Russia has the money, resources, troops, or political will to attempt to take more land in Europe. The argument that the USA must pour billions more into Ukraine for that reason is outdated and wrong. Russia invaded because they didn't want NATO amassing troops and weapons along its border... in the same way the USA wouldn't want a hostile foe to amass weapons in Mexico or Canada. Biden/Blinken were actively trying to get Ukraine into NATO... an obvious provocative act.

    Trump is working hard to negotiate peace, and taking on a global leadership role in so doing... to unwind and clean up the damage that the Deep State and Democrat foreign policy caused abroad.


    GOOD DAY
     
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    Putin played trump like a fiddle, he got the pomp and circumstance and then was able to humiliate our sitting Prez...........this buffoon looked like a giddy schoolgirl waiting for putin and then let him ride in the beast. This is how he treats a murderous dictator and then berates Zelensky because he didn't suck up enough.
     
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    All if his "sanctions" in 50 days to 10 days were all BS, he is all talk until he actually has to do something against his BFF.................what a friggin p***y
     
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    As you well know, it is Putin's dream to reconstitute the Soviet Union. In December 2021, Putin described the Soviet collapse as the end of "historical Russia", lamenting that "what had been built up over 1,000 years was largely lost". He sees taking Ukraine as the first step in remaking the USSR. Putin won't stop his attempt to take that democracy until he is stopped by force or removed from power.

    Putin's own history proves that he is a liar who has broken every international agreement he has made. trump is a fool if he believes the dictator. It's more likely, in my opinion, that trump doesn't believe Putin and simply doesn't care if Putin is lying. Why? Because, for some bizarre reason (I can guess why), trump cares about Putin more than he cares about Ukraine and democracy.
     
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    Why would NATO do that unless there was an actual threat? Russia invaded because they wanted to prevent the possibility of that happening...but there wasn't one unless there was an actual threat. Admitting Ukraine into NATO wasn't to provoke Russia but it was to protect them and the rest of Europe from the threat of Putin going all Nazi. The Russian delegation was literally wearing CCCP shirts traveling to Alaska.

    Why are you for communism's resurgence?
     
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    Wait, aren't you a Mamdani supporter? LOL

    These arguments being put forward by the forever war libs are just hilarious. So out of touch with today's reality... End the war, end the suffering, end the lighting of USA taxpayer dollars on fire, and put an end to the madness. If Russia attacks in the future (highly unlikely in the near term), then deal with that then. But to think the USA must fight a proxy war in Ukraine to prevent some absurd future hypothetical Russian attack is beyond dumb. I'd rather invest in America, not in the rubble-making in Ukraine.


    GOOD DAY
     
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    Like I said theres no person in the world more gullible than the MAGA cultists. Say something nice to play into his ego and he'll do whatever you want him to do.

    Its like talking to your 3 year old child convincing him the tooth fairy is real so he goes to sleep
     
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    Most progress in 3+ years thanks to Trump’s leadership. All of this is cleaning up Biden’s mess. Trump doesn’t have to do any of this. He’s doing this because he’s a LEADER.

    GOOD DAY
     
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    Imagine being a warmonger for the past 20 years, then suddenly acting like you care about the budget and peace, and expecting everyone to believe you. Lol. Lmao, even.
     
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