What will it take to make you seriously consider an EV?

Safety monitors were an expected and necessary starting point in Austin. When they are removed, everything changes. Unlike Waymo, Tesla can infinitely scale robotaxis almost instantaneously. The general public does not realize this, nor do they understand the ramifications.

I doubt very much this happens before the end of the year, but I’ll reassess when FSD 14 comes out in a few weeks.

For the record, I’ll repeat that I was a long time, hard core FSD skeptic. But the release and then shockingly rapid improvement of FSD 12 last year was such a huge leap I began to change my mind. FSD 13 was another big step.

The expectations of v.14 are sky high, but I’ve been down that road the last 7 years of lies and exaggerations. However, the past 12 months should open anyone’s mind to what might happen even if you have an extremely low opinion of Musk‘s character.

 

Sure thing Elon

 

Wasn't this always a complete boondoggle bunch of govt cheese bullshit? We knew this from the beginning, right?

 

"Autonomous taxis and cars are fine..."

"Safety monitors were an expected and necessary starting point in Austin"

Uh huh.

 

Super safe!

 

The almost instantaneously part is the overhyping.
Nothing related to autonomous cars is going to be instantaneous.

 

If/when robotaxis in Austin (or a future geographic area) lose the safety monitors, Tesla can saturate a market in a very short amount of time. Waymo cannot. This is what I meant. It is the truth. The ability to scale is what sets them apart. The only remaining question is can they cross the line and actually offer a safe driverless service.

If you consider that overhyping, OK.

 

This is the biggest question - because I agree that if they can get the system right (and yes, big if), then they can flood the market pretty fast (obviously they have to build the infrastructure for charging/cleaning cars, etc too). But they won't be as hamstrung by car supply. Of course, I also don't know what the constraint on Waymo supply would be other than if Tesla drives pricing down that the economics don't look good for Waymo?

 

I saw Waymo on Phoenix highways in 2024 and have seen them on Austin highways in 2025, so Waymo are on high speed roads.

 

The biggest constraints on Waymo are cost and the need to create and maintain detailed HD maps for every single road their vehicles operate. There is a reason their rollout has been slow as molasses.

See comments by the former head of GM's Cruise program.

 

I am glad everyone here is a Robotaxi expert.

One thing I know in life is no one company is going to take 100% of the market.
TSLSA fanbois couldn't think of a day Tesla didnt sell every single EV being sold. Yet here we are.

Now it's robotaxi. 100% of market will be Tesla and everyone will be shoving lidar into their ass.

Give me a break.

 

FSD makes a ton of mistakes every single day. Just look at the FSD reddit. So many examples of running red lights, getting into the wrong lanes etc.

I wonder if Telsa publishes stats of how many times FSD had to be disengaged by the driver. It would probably not be a good look for them.

Thinking Tesla can just "overnight" launch robotaxi to the entire nation is just Elon koolaid drinking.

 

Nobody here is saying that. Who are you talking to?

Can we have a sensible conversation about this or is that impossible?

 

Who here said Tesla could overnight launch robotaxi service to the entire nation?

 

i used quotations around overnight for a reason