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The Return of Carlos Correa

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Htown Legend, Jul 31, 2025.

  1. Snake Diggit

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    I am drawing that info from Roster Resource on fangraphs. https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/payroll/astros. Their math may be off and my math may be off even more. That page says the CBT hit to the Astros for Correa in 2025 is only $1.5M which is very hard to believe. Since the other teams covered the bulk of Sanchez and Urias salaries, their math shows Houston still under the tax. If Houston was able to add those 3 players without giving up any major prospects and still stay under the CBT (preserving a 2nd round pick when Framber rejects a QO), Dana Brown and Jim Crane literally deserve an award.
     
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    spotrac says we are on the hook for for like 8.5 million. I have no idea how any of this stuff works.
     
  3. Snake Diggit

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    I know how it works (mostly) but getting verified details of the amount each team is paying in these deals is hard. Spotrac shows $8.412M for actual cash owed by Houston but only $6.89M for CBT purposes.
     
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    I'm pretty sure I've learned in the past to just not worry about it until MLB does their official calculations after the season.
     
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  5. Qan

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    Doesn't really matter in the end...what's done is done. CC has been good so far
     
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    I actually care more about the draft picks lost , or if they're losing draft picks.
     
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    I am just so glad to have him back, he brings a swagger of confidence to this team that we needed. He is just a natural fit with the Astros
     
  11. vince

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    Altuve pleaded and lobbied just so that a MLB team would give him a chance. Correa was a blue chip prospect since a very early age. Both of these guys personalities formed very different, as one was humble the other one quite brash; though both guys are very respectful in their own right. But Correa natural developed his swagger from a fine combination of brashness and respectfulness; quite intriguing.

    I think they both are all-world talents that compliment each other very well. I’m so glad to see these two back together!

    And I’m looking forward to Correa getting his Astros total number to compliment Altuve, just like Biggio and Bagwell complimented each other.
     
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    I'm sure these duos have complimented each other many times over the years, due to the fact that they complement each other so well.

    I'll see myself out.
     
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    I would love to see Correa get back on his HOF trajectory.
     
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    I would be pissed if I were a fan of any other World Series contender. The Astros get serious injuries and it looks like they are finished, and the Astros owner leverages the Twins situation and his relationship with a player under contract on another team to add a potential star for the cost of a middle reliever in free agency.
     
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    He is 30 and right now has 45 WAR.

    His counting statistics don't jump off the page, about 200 homers. However his WAR is very high and his PER is also well above average SS/3rd in HOF.

    Basically I think it is going to come down to health, if he plays well enough for the Astros to pick up his option years, he is probably in the HOF. Outside of Ohtani, basically everyone active above him in WAR is older than him. For comparisons sake, Nolan Arenado is at 57 WAR right now, and is 3.5 years older than Correa. Arenado will get into the HOF.

    A couple of healthy seasons of 5+ WAR will put him on track as a likely HOF.

    The highest non PED/banned players not in the HOF with WAR are: a SS from 130 years ago (Bill Dahlen 75), Curt Schilling (79, and is in because he is viewed as a jerk), Jim McCormick (75 - played 130 years ago), Lou Whitaker (first modern guy and will eventually get in), Bobby Grich (71), Rick Reuschel (69).

    So if Correa can get to 70 WAR he is very likely in the HOF, and he is about 25 away from that at 30.
     
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    His 7-year peak WAR is very close to being in-line with HoF measures for SSs. He needs to get his overall WAR (45) into the mid-to-high 60s to make his case. That's going to require several more really good seasons, and then maybe he can get there in his later 30s.

    But, as with Altuve, any deficits can be wiped out by postseason performance - overall good numbers and a ton of huge moments. If he has a few more of those... he's going to start making those career numbers a little less meaningful.

    I mean... if he comes back this year and the Astros win a WS........
     
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    Pretty much. His WAR is very impressive. His averages are impressive. His postseason career is very impressive. He just doesn't have much accolades or traditional counting stats due to so many injuries (and the COVID season).

    And Lou Whitaker's HOF exclusion is a travesty.
     
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    There are a few infielder that have been kept out and should be in.

    Lou Whitaker, Bobby Grich and Creg Nettles come to mind and Willie Randolph is arguable as well.

    I think Schilling is a jerk, and when he played, I heard from other players that he was on PED's, but he hasn't been caught and with 80 WAR, he should be in the HOF. Kevin Brown is similar, he is known as a PED user based on what other players have told me years ago, but he was never caught from what I know and he has a WAR over 70 - but only got 2% of the vote and is off the ballot. He was known as a hot head, so he may not get in through veterans committee.
     
  20. Snake Diggit

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    I think it’s gonna be hard for Correa to get into the hall. He has never had a 30 HR season, never won an MVP, doesn’t steal bases, and has been constantly hurt. And now he’s moved to a less glamorous defensive home. He would have to go on an absolute tear over this last half/third of his career. 50 career war may become a new standard for consideration and so he will be in the mix. But between the lack of counting stats, awards, his injuries, and the cheating scandal, I would bet against him making the hall. Winning another ring or two would definitely help his cause, and I definitely think 400 HR gets him in.
     

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