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Israel Goes To War with Hamas 2023

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by astros123, Oct 6, 2023.

  1. LosPollosHermanos

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    And this was your attempt at looking smarter, did you not just realize what you clicked on. If all it takes is a montage of text from a myspace level website you better hang on to the little saving you have brother, you're going to be taken for a lot of rides.
     
  2. ROXRAN

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    It's ironic that weak minded people such as you want to believe in "evidence" so much but the moment evidence smacks you in the face you don't like it - that link is verifiably accurate along with specific names and links to UNRWA which Hamas used at western tax dollars against Israel. Check the findings of UNRWA and Hamas in Gaza. It's ridiculous that Hamas took advantage of the resources from outside nation monetary support and infrastructure achievements in its focus to commit Oct 7 - Gaza being a "state" is fine however it makes zero sense to consider that when Hamas is in charge especially when we know what Hamas will do with any reconstruction efforts funded by the outside ...Hamas loves death - frankly they deserve it, let them have it ... the Palestinian people deserve something better or at least re-education for being hate induced to the point that they believe a Hamas government which actually stated that their own deaths is acceptable.


    Intelligence provided to the UN’s Office of Internal Oversight Services (OIOS) identified at least 18 UNRWA employees who actively participated in the October 7th massacre, including in killings, abductions, and operational support to Hamas’ invading forces.

    Evidence included among others:
    - Video footage showing staff members in Israeli communities during the attack.
    - Phone call recordings and cellphone triangulation confirming their presence and coordination.
    - Documentation of hostage abductions, including an UNRWA social worker seen loading the body of a murdered civilian into a vehicle.

    These individuals continued to function simultaneously as UNRWA employees and Hamas operatives.
     
  3. lionaire

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    This is taken out of context but even if this is exactly what they meant with no additional context, does that give the green light to the zionist entity to kill with impunity?

    What's the issue with this? Killing nazi collaborators was common during and post WW2. But it's a problem when Hamas does it?


    Not verified by any viable third party.


    Not verified by any viable third party.


    This is bad but it pales in comparison to the amount of bombs dropped by the zionist occupiers and the death & damage they have caused.
     
  4. lionaire

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    Guy posted a link from the israeli government website lmao. U.S. intelligence and other third parties investigated UNWRA and found that there were 3-12 members who may have had links to Hamas. Out of 30,000 UNWRA employees. That's 0.04%. This is a fat nothing burger just like every claim a zionist tries to make.
     
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    18 "actively participated" the website I cited has pictures and names as well

    - the actual number of Hamas moonlighting affiliates is over 1400 which is a significant number that they can confirm, but then true number is undoubtedly much more ...

    once again this all confirms what Hamas does with aid with outside or structural/ financial support- they use it to build tunnels underneath hospitals underneath schools they use the electricity that should be helping the people they don't give a freaking lick about Palestinian civilians- believe it or not, I actually would support Gaza being an independent state and all that but it has to be something other than Hamas in charge

    - I'm not saying they have to love Israel- it can be the PLA or whatever but it needs to be someone who's going to put civilians first not what Hamas does as evidence shows - I think if you truly care about the people of Gaza, you could understand that somewhat, but if your hate overrides things then, of course you want Israel's destruction at the cost of whether it is Palestinian civilians just as the leaders of Hamas has stated unequivocally
     
  6. lionaire

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    Those numbers are unverified. Netanyahu intentionally allowed cash to flow to Hamas leadership via Qatar [NYT]. Regardless, if that money went towards helping civilians what would have changed? Whatever it would have been used for would have been destroyed by now anyways. Also, Phases 2 and 3 of Trump's ceasefire deal included Hamas forfeiting power but who broke that ceasefire?

    If your concern genuinely lies with the well-being of the civilians or their right to self-determination, then your attention should be directed toward the party that has subjected them to decades of occupation.
     
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    Don't forget IDF had all the plans for months before the attack..... they were warned by us and Egyptian iq
     
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    This is a good step in the right direction but at what point will these people organize to overthrow their internationally-wanted, war-criminal leader? Until then it's all performative.
     
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    Palestinians are the most morally depraved people on earth.

     
  11. lionaire

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    Keep projecting moron

     
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    Hamas is who the people of Gaza voted for.

    Their sympathies lie with Hamas and its actions.... actions which including murdering apostates, homosexuals, political opposition, Jews and suppressing the rights of women, sexual minorities and religious minorities.

    We know what they would do the nation of Israel if they had the chance.
     
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    You cannot do what Hamas did and then just say, hey let's go back to pre-war conditions, we'll let someone else be in charge of Gaza, but no other consequences. Every member of Hamas must surrender to Israel to face trial and imprisonment/execution. Israel must have full military control of Gaza. Those who supported Hamas must leave. They started a war they couldn't win, and now they are going to have to pay the price of losing. They don't get to dictate the terms of the peace, they can only unconditionally surrender. That is what happens when your opponent wins total victory. Either that, or just keep fighting to the death.
     
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    The ICC and ICJ exist for this exact type of scenario wouldn't you agree?
     
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    Level 1 hasbara
     
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    They don't simply see this as an opportunity to defeat Hamas - this is an opportunity to eliminate all of the Palestinians.
     
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    It would be better if they took a picture of kids starving at a fence begging for food rather than giving them food? Interesting thought process.
     
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    A couple of points.

    First - half of the Palestinians murdered in Gaza are women and children. So it is very fair to save over half of those murdered were not militants, but were civilians.

    Second - I keep hearing "innocent Palestinians" voted for Hamas. There hasn't been an election in Gaza since 2006. Over half of those that live (lived) in Gaza were not even born the last time that there was an election in Gaza. If you couple that with those that were two young to vote in 2006, the number is close to 75% of Gazans having never had an opportunity to vote - but are still being killed.

    Third - Hamas has never represented the majority of Gazans, they only got like 44% of the vote, compared to the moderate party that got 41%, so the majority of those old enough to vote as Gazans did not vote for Hamas.

    All of this is very transparent to anyone that is remotely objective.
     
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    "Look at that Polish Jew, yes she is behind a fence but she has clothes and tools to work - surely they exaggerate their conditions as they are apt to do -and they work, and work is good for the soul." - Helene Bechstein
     
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