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Anyone splurging with tariffs bringing in the billions?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by strosb4bros, Jul 18, 2025 at 11:58 PM.

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  1. strosb4bros

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    #1 strosb4bros, Jul 18, 2025 at 11:58 PM
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    "We might have a middle class again by passing 100 billion dollars of tariffs to American consumers while we kick out 20 million people off their Healthcare and give 5 trillion dollars of tax cuts to billionaires"

    You cultists get crazier by the day. Really fascinates me how you think people are as brainwashed as yall.
     
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    I'm happy for you that you are excited to go in to debt to purchase an expensive vehicle and pretend the middle class is making a roaring comeback, but please come back to this thread when these tarrifs actually make a difference.

    I mean, look at this, we are hardly paying for the trillions in deficit that Trump's new bill put us into.
     
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    "NPR far left"

    nazis really just say anything
     
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    From tax is theft to “hey looky here” within nano seconds

    I’m fine with increasing taxes but the allocation means all of the world. Here’s to hoping this administration is looking out for the every day person with our hard earned dollars.

    Trump really could have said “I want a VAT tax”
     
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    I got mine, damn everybody else

    The conservative way
     
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  7. strosb4bros

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    For you to deny this is to deny water is wet. There is no argument against it not just from a content perspective, but the 97% of staff that identify as "Extremely liberal". No wonder they keep painting Hamas in a sympathetic light.
     
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    We haven't even gotten into the brunt of the money tariffs will bring in. This is early days and the signs are promising just from a debt reduction perspective. Now when you consider the trillions being brought in from companies onshoring and manufacturing jobs that are created, we build on that even further.

    There won't be a single apology from diehard libs that this was the right move, and one that many democrats had advocated for before Trump in office.

    Not financing any car I can't afford to buy in cash. Put a sizeable chunk down and you get a great monthly payment (if credit strong). Ramsey spells it out clearly.
     
    #8 strosb4bros, Jul 20, 2025 at 10:04 PM
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    This is a very, very weird thing for you to say.
     
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    What is shocking for the academics to be finding out is that FOREIGN PRODUCERS are paying the tariffs by absorbing the cost in their margins. Tariffs are having almost no impact on inflation -- that's according to the data. Inflation is consistently underperforming expectations. The American consumer is not paying these tariffs. There is no tax on the American consumer. The inflation rate for the tariff'd goods is not rising.

    Joe Lavorgna is a leading economist and explains the situation beautifully here. Tariffs are a negotiating tool and a CARROT to lure manufacturing back to the USA. That's a great things for American jobs and real wage growth for the middle class.

    This is yet another situation where Trump was spot on and predicted the future, while the academic group thinkers were 100% wrong. Notice how this keeps happening over and over?

    Joe Lavorgna in July
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/new...pite-of-tariffs-joe-lavorgna-says/vi-AA1IdsyG

    Joe Lavorgna in March



    GOOD DAY
     
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    This has nothing to do with healthcare. This is about the impact of tariffs on the American economy, where the top 10% make up the majority of consumer spending. We haven't seen it yet, but in the future they will be the ones who the costs are passed onto and quite frankly, I am happy to pay tariff related upcharge if it means we get a middle class back. Nothing proved more than Bidenflation how useless endless stimulus and spending was to the middle and poor. The core of America benefits from better paying jobs and lower inflation, and lower debt + a strong manufacturing sector does that .
     
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    Of course it has to do with Healthcare. The overwhelming majority of individuals on ACA are middle class citizens including business owners. When I was selling medical equipment we took 50-60% ACA and they were all working class. The BBB removes the expanded subsidies and premiums are on pace to double next year leading to millions losing their insurance. The thing that pissed me off about you cultists @El_Conquistador is how yall gas light people.



    Be honest. Say you support tax cuts for the wealthy and you dont give a **** about who loses their Healthcare. I may not agree with it but I'll respect you for being honest
     
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    So you admit you were wrong about tariffs, and your way to say that is by changing the topic to healthcare.

    I am happy to talk about healthcare in a topic about healthcare. I also want you to provide a detailed BREAKDOWN of whether able bodied people need the subsidies they are getting. I support able bodied adults having to work or go to school to qualify for medicaid and not being able to game the system. I don't support healthcare subsidies for illegals. Americans who need real medical help will still be able to get it under the amendments, an extra $75-100/month is not as big of an impact if inflation is under control. It's not ideal, but it's nowhere near as bad as you are painting it.
     
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    Trump has given tax cuts tailored specifically to the working class. Tips and overtime are now tax free for the working class. The wealthy earn neither tips nor overtime -- pretty simple. Additionally, Trump delivered on the baby bonus accounts for ALL families. Furthermore, SECURING THE BORDER is the best thing that could possibly happen for working class wages. That part of the labor pool now no longer competes with illegals. Wages going up is the predictable result. Auto loan interest being deductible is also a huge boon for the working class -- wealthy people don't finance cars. Gas prices are down under Trump -- a big portion of working class disposable income goes to gas. And finally, Trump has tamed inflation quickly. No one benefits more than the working class from lower inflation.

    Trump is delivering for the working class in ways that no President ever has    . I hope this isn't disappointing to you! Biden wrecked the working class way of life with his hyper-inflation. All avoidable. Trump is fixing it.

    Amigo, I just DESTROYED your uneducated argument!

    GOOD DAY
     
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    Wrong about tariffs? No? I trust the feds CPI forecast more than whatever garbage the treasury releases. American consumers pay tariffs. We already had a manufacturing boom happen under biden without dumbass tariffs
     
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    Trumps tax cuts for the working class = 190 billion dollars
    Trumps tax cuts for the top 10% = 3.8 trllion
    Trumps healthcare cuts= 1 trillion

    Like i said you low iq cultist can gaslight normal Americans but I'm not dumb to fall for your propaganda. You cultists dont get to pretend to be working class champions while kicking millions off healthcare
     
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    This is a common trend we see. Dems overcompensate, make a bunch of bruha about nothing, start convulsing on live tv, then quietly go on to the next topic to be hysterical about when they are categorically proved wrong. Well compensated manufacturing jobs are the backbone of a thriving middle class.

    As far as costs, I don't see foreign producers forever absorbing those costs. Initially for goodwill, but we know it's a competitive landscape and they will eventually try to pass it off on the consumers. The question is what income bracket will eat the most... the top 10% who do the majority of consumer spending, or the very middle class that we want to help? Our goal needs to be keeping inflation down and consistently better paying manufacturing jobs so the middle class can see REAL gains instead of paper ones. Since covid all the REAL gains have gone to the top 1%.
     
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    Another factor to take into account: Housing is the largest expense for any group by far. With rates set to decrease and supply increasing on the market, this will be a relief for new buyers or those who have been waiting to refinance. It would be wise to not focus so much on the cost of bread and eggs when the big savings come from a reasonable housing market (whether buying or renting).
     
    #18 strosb4bros, Jul 20, 2025 at 10:44 PM
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    Support your math with links, please. Because you don't have the credibility for us to take your word on faith.


    GOOD DAY
     
    #19 El_Conquistador, Jul 20, 2025 at 10:44 PM
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    You have literally never won a single debate against me. The only person who has no credibility is you. What figure did I post thats wrong?
     
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