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25 years into the Century: Obama was the best

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ubiquitin, Jun 3, 2025.

  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Does it appear as though Obama is planting the seeds in preparation of an announcement regarding his own personal life and preferences? A lot of rumors swirling about the chef that died at his property in Martha's Vineyard... and of course Donald Young, the choir director at his church (Jeremiah Wright as pastor) in Chicago.


    GOOD DAY
     
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  2. CCorn

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    His competition includes a pedophile, a man whose arrogance set his own party back for an election cycle, and a person who got us mired in endless wars.

    He won the AFC South.
     
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    Release the Whitey Tape
     
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    Obama should be in jail.


     
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  6. glynch

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    True he was the best, but a very low bar. The disappointment over the inexperienced overly cautious Obama was one of the things leading to Trump.
     
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  7. Nook

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    That is funny.

    I will say this though, Obama is the classiest President we have had in generations.

    I wasn't a huge fan of his foreign policy - but he is the cleanest President we have had in a very long time.
     
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    Obama is ready to play the Raiders in a nail-biting wild card game.
     
  9. rimrocker

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    No Drama Obama was pretty darn good. As a Black candidate and President, he had to really watch how he came across, which is why he was so cool--could not do anything that would feed the angry black man racist stereotype. He did a lot of good things and fumbled a few things, like not anticipating for and planning for the Tea Party astroturf reaction and not calling bluffs on the debt ceiling. Too often, he took Repubs at their word and too often dismissed their actions with a "fever has to break" technocratic outlook.

    Ultimately however, his biggest accomplishment, ACA, will, I think, also go down in history as his greatest failing. Not because of anything specific related to the ACA but because of the political capital he spent on it rather than other issues. I can certainly understand why he made it the focus, but how different would we be today if he had gone after the folks who made torture a public policy of the United States? Once W and Cheney did that, we lost something as country and I fear it is too late to get it back now. There's a direct throughline between W's torture and black site extraordinary rendition of terrorists (and people that just looked like terrorists) to what we are seeing today, be that kidnapping immigrants and moving them to other countries or the lying and stupidity of a fascist administration. Indeed, today would not be possible without the architects of torture in the W administration paving the way. Once torture was politicized instead of being near-universally condemned, it gave license to those drawn to such cruelty and here we sit.

    (The other one--if you believe in limited political capital--was sacrificing significant action on climate change for health care. That's an easier call because there's the notion that people who must worry about health care can't focus on long-term issues like climate change.)

    Because he was a Black President in a racist country, I can see why he made the cool choice to ignore the torture regime and focus everything on health care. It was both prudent and good politics at the time to let sleeping war criminals lie. But damn, it costs us a lot in later years. No country can allow war criminals to go unpunished, much less let them go staff positions of influence like torture memos author John Yoo did. You can't let government officials get away with destroying records, as happened with W's CIA Director Michael Hayden. You can't let government officials get away with executing plans to keep information from Congress and the American people, as was done by numerous officials under W.

    I think Obama hoped that by improving health care and the general conditions of most Americans that we would be able to move to a better place as a country--a reasonable assumption at the time--but torture and its rationalizations is a cancer that has to be cut out ASAP. Otherwise, it can infect everything, as we now are experiencing.

    If we have a chance, we better make sure we do everything to see that in the very near future we hear a lot of paraphrasing of Justice Robert H. Jackson's opening remarks by prosecutors in many, many courtrooms.
     
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  10. pgabriel

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    Why didn't Trump try?
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    One thing Obama doesn't get enough credit for ironically is decreasing border violence.

    He worked with Mexico to push the violence back inside the country. People have forgotten how bad cartel violence was in the later Bush years.

    Obviously Trump ran on immigration but the cartel violence was a different issue
     
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    lest we forget.


     

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