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No Russia Collusion

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by cml750, Nov 9, 2021.

  1. El_Conquistador

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    Still relevant 8+ years later as now they are manufacturing birthday cards in their latest effort to smear Trump.
     
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    Almost like it’s meant to draw attention away from one of the most disgusting coverups in history


    Glad to see where defending Epstein is for basso. For a person like that it’s understandable why his outrage on this issue is more than the non issue he seems to have with Trump going to a trafficking island and protecting criminals
     
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    Except that Mueller found it....and others served prison time, so this is all nonsense propaganda to make the ass lickers feel better.

    DD
     
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    She is, of course, totally believable.
     
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    This. It isn't a question of whether Russia attempted to assist Trump. It was what Trump knew and if Russia went beyond propaganda. IC long so said they Russia hacked and voting machines and they didn't find Trump to have colluded with Russia. They did however find some Trump officials behave improperly and that Russia had a massive misinformation campaign to boost Trump.
     
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    yes.
     
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    Jesus those Epstein documents must be bad for Trump. They’ll start telling about Hilary’s emails by Tuesday
     
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    We have waited 9 years for justice on Obama/Comey/Clapper/Brennan's attempted coup. It's now time. And I love that former Democrat Tulsi Gabbard is leading the charge. Obama tried to torpedo Trump's presidency with the help of our intel agencies, and international intel agencies. You cannot subvert democracy that way and try to nullify a Presidential election. The punishment must be severe.


    GOOD DAY
     
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    Mueller found no Russian collusion -- NONE. And the prison time was served for nothing related to Russian collusion. Prison time was served for "lying to investigators" which was all the Deep State could come up with... and enough to trick the low-IQ sheep such as yourself into thinking that there was actually collusion. It worked, sadly. Usually a charge like this is done to put pressure on a defendant to spill the beans on their true target -- it's a dirty prosecutorial trick. Manafort served time for bank/tax charges from long ago -- again, they charged him to try to get him to flip -- which he did not.

    Mueller Report Doesn't Find Russian Collusion
    Special counsel Robert Mueller did not find evidence that President Trump's campaign conspired with Russia to influence the 2016 election, according to a summary of findings submitted to Congress by Attorney General William Barr.

    https://www.npr.org/2019/03/24/7063...-been-briefed-on-mueller-investigation-report
     
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    Its funny how clueless your commentary truly is. A REPUBLICAN senate found the Russians interfering with the 2016 election. Obama never said the Russians hacked the voting machines. The intel report states they hacked into the DNC server and the registration machines.

    Nobody ever said the Russians hacked into the vote tally. A republican senate found the allegations to be true.

    https://www.intelligence.senate.gov...ndings-first-volume-bipartisan-russia-report/
     
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    Doesn't Obama have the same immunity as trump?
     
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    “Frivolous”. McCarthy, who even wrote a book arguing that claims of Russian interference were politically motivated to serve Democrats, dismantles the latest BS promoted by Trump World.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2025...bbard-urges-doj-to-prosecute-obama-officials/


    The director of national intelligence makes a frivolous argument.

    Do Trump intelligence officials speak with each other? Does Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence, read the reports generated by the Central Intelligence Agency?


    There is good reason to wonder.

    Last Friday, DNI Gabbard breathlessly released a slew of email communicationsbetween intelligence officials that showed what we have already known for years — indeed, what was established by a yearslong probe conducted by John Durham, a special counsel appointed by the Justice Department in the first Trump administration precisely to investigate the fabrication of a Trump-Russia collusion narrative. To wit: Despite the absence of evidence that Russian machinations had any substantive impact on the 2016 election, the Obama-era intelligence services, including the FBI, CIA, and ODNI, egged on by the White House, generated an intelligence community assessment (ICA) to highlight Russia’s inconsequential interference in that election. The ICA stressed that Vladimir Putin’s regime was trying to damage Hillary Clinton, and it speculated that Putin “aspired” to help Donald Trump.

    In 2018, as Russiagate was unfolding (and while Gabbard was a progressive Democratic congresswoman planning what turned out to be a failed 2020 bid for the party’s nomination), I wrote a book about it, Ball of Collusion: The Plot to Rig an Election and Destroy a Presidency. There have been multiple extensive investigations and government reports since then, but what I argued in the book is that the real collusion was between the Clinton campaign and Obama administration officials to put the government’s law enforcement and intelligence apparatus in the service of Democratic Party objectives.

    No new light is shed on this episode by Gabbard’s email disclosures last Friday, which, unsurprisingly, were accompanied by an overwrought and misleading press release rather than an analytical report. Perhaps that is because Gabbard’s intelligence community peer, CIA Director John Ratcliffe, did issue an analytical report just a few days earlier that contradicts Gabbard’s implication that there was no evidence of Russian interference in the 2016 election.


    Last week, we posted my three-part “Russiagate Revisited” series (click here for parts one, two, and three), in which I critiqued the new CIA report — in the mode of “lessons learned” — regarding the ICA’s analysis of Russia’s interference in the 2016 election (completed in December 2016, with a nonclassified version released on January 6, 2017).


    In part three, in particular, I contended that the Trump administration’s decision to revive this episode, while titillating for the MAGA political base, was self-sabotage. That is mainly because, after months of scrutiny, the Trump CIA has reaffirmed the ICA’s conclusions that (1) Russia sought to interfere in the 2016 election and (2) did so in order to denigrate Hillary Clinton — i.e., Kremlin strongman Vladimir Putin anticipated that Clinton would be elected and hoped to make her a less effective president, which would be in Russia’s interest as America’s geopolitical rival.

    The public position of President Trump and his most ardent supporters — the position that Gabbard reiterates — is that Russiagate was a total hoax, a complete fabrication by Democrats, without a shred of truth to it, concocted to undermine his presidency. This has always been a foolish stance.

    Russia habitually tries to influence American politics, including electoral politics, just as our government has for decades intruded in the politics of the Soviet Union and post-Soviet Russia. (In fact, the Obama administration’s support of the revolt that ousted Ukraine’s democratically elected, pro-Russian regime in 2013–14 motivated both Putin’s 2014 annexation of Crimea and the 2016 denigration of Clinton, Obama’s former secretary of state.) Russia’s efforts in this regard, and specifically in 2016, have been laughably ineffective; that doesn’t mean they haven’t happened at all.

    The Democrats’ caterwauling that Russia stole the 2016 election from Clinton was nonsense. It has long been widely recognized for what it was: a fever dream by which Democrats sought to avoid conceding the true cause of the party’s loss — its nomination of a deeply unpopular, scandal-scarred, politically flat-footed candidate. Yet, by claiming that there was no evidence of Russian interference, the Trump camp invites correction (including, now, from the Trump administration’s own CIA) and thereby turns into a matter of consequence something that was utterly inconsequential.

    As I detailed in the three-part series, the principal flaw in Ratcliffe’s report — which he accompanied with a referral to the Justice Department, as did Gabbard in her press release — was its attempt to manufacture a false statement in order to generate a predicate for renewed investigation and potential prosecution of Obama officials.

    In a nutshell, Ratcliffe suggested that Obama CIA Director John Brennan’s 2023 House testimony — that the CIA opposed inclusion of the bogus Steele dossier in the ICA — was inconsistent with emails Brennan had sent seven years earlier, as the ICA was being prepared, in which he argued in favor of the dossier’s inclusion in the ICA. On even cursory examination, this was specious. In the 2016 emails, Brennan was arguing his personal position; by contrast, his 2023 testimony laid out the CIA’s institutional position, which was against the dossier’s inclusion. Not only is the 2023 testimony true; it is proven true by the 2016 emails, which were in response to top CIA officials (including Brennan’s deputy), who asserted that the agency broadly opposed inclusion of the dossier. (Brennan’s colleagues largely succeeded in having it excluded: a streamlined summary was included in an annex but not in the ICA’s analysis.) To repeat what I posited, a false-statements case cannot be based on true statements (even if we assume, as I do, that Brennan was being cagey in the 2023 testimony). There is, therefore, no basis in the new CIA report for an investigation of Brennan. (Ratcliffe reportedly also recommended that the DOJ investigate James Comey, the Obama-appointed FBI director later fired by Trump, though it’s unclear why.)

    Gabbard’s press release attempts the same kind of legerdemain. She claims that in the run-up to and the immediate aftermath of the 2016 election, Obama intelligence officials, including then-DNI James Clapper, took the position that Russia was “probably not trying . . . to influence the election by using cyber means.” But later, as top Obama administration officials huddled and executed the rapid-fire completion of the ICA, Gabbard says the administration changed its tune and claimed that Russia had used cyber means to interfere in the election.

    It’s a frivolous argument. The original (and true) claims that Russia was not engaged in cyber espionage were unambiguously referring to cyberattacks on election infrastructure. Try as she might, even Gabbard cannot get around this in the press release and the selectively redacted documents she released — e.g., Clapper’s December 7, 2016, statement: “Foreign adversaries did not use cyberattacks on election infrastructure to alter the US Presidential election outcome” (emphasis added). This is true: No one believed that Russian operatives had tried to attack election machines and the like. As officials explained post-election, the U.S. presidential contest involves 50 state elections that use various, redundant measures to prevent the possibility of hacking; even a regime with capable intelligence services, such as Russia’s, could not manipulate the results through cyberattacks.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    Not to mention funneling money through the NRA to pay for campaigns.

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