The Official President Trump Thread - Second Term Edition

It's an argument I'm willing to make that using illegal labor is not only wrong it's immoral. It enslaves a group of people to low wage jobs and drives down wages for all other workers. Also you've got illegal child labor being used on the pot farms in California. You good with this?

Before you use the they do jobs Americans wont do, lets see if Americans will do those jobs. I think they will because I grew up on a farm hauling hay, loading soybeans in to hoppers on tractors to be planted. Picking bushels of corn and purple hull peas. My thing is I dont want child labor to be exploited although I grew up working at a young age. It's different when you're working for your parents or your parents friend than what was going on at that pot farm.

 

Immorality is a different argument than an argument based on economic benefit vs cost of illegal aliens. Again, the latter is a loser and I’m glad you are pivoting from it.

I am of two minds on the morality of exploitation of illegal immigrant labor in the US (excluding child labor, which I will address separately). In a better world, we would have an easier/faster path to citizenship that would allow this labor to flow in legally, we would raise the minimum wage so people can afford a reasonable standard of living, and so on. But in the world we live in, exploitation of illegals immigrant labor immigrant labor “works” for both parties. Even with low wages, the illegal immigrants are often better off than what they had in their country of origin. Hence it is the deal they make. It is an unfair deal, but the best deal available to them.

We already know Americans won’t do these jobs. You don’t want to accept this, but all you need to do is to read. Run google searches and you will see many articles about this. You can call it fake news if you want. You probably will because it does not support your world view. But the information comes from Trump supporting farmers, construction companies, etc. They have said their illegal workers fear deportation and are not coming to work, and the legal citizens they have hired cannot do the job. They either quit because it is too hard, or they do a much poorer job.

I will ask you a very simple question - why do you think Trump has stopped deporting illegal immigrants in farming, construction, hospitality? If American citizens were willing and able to fill those jobs without collapsing those industries, why would he create those exceptions from deportation?

As for child labor, that’s easy. Of course it is immoral. It may be true in many circumstances that illegal immigrant children working in pot farms in the US is better than what they would have in their country of origin. But it is still terrible.

 

Hey lefty azzholes, the border is secure. Go and suck the big donkey doo!

 

As for the last 2 paragraphs in your post.

1. I do work for around 10 different apartment builders in the state of Texas. (Houston/Austin/San Antonio/Dallas and the surrounding ares. (Also down in the Valley, the only place we dont do work is West Texas. Some are as big as 2 to 10 billion dollar companies and none of these companies are reporting labor shortage issues.

2. Agreed explotation of children is a terrible thing. Let children be innocent for as long as they possibly can be.

On a different topic, but kind of the same, this is why I hope the pedo's on Epstein island fry. (Even if it's proven that Trump/Clinton are pedos I hope they both fry.) But this must be proven and not just a bunch of accusations. The DOJ has the tapes. They know who's on those tapes. What I really want to know is, what did the FBI seize when they got the warrants to raid Epstein's properties.

 

Millions less in "illegal" immigrants removes their economic activity. Some of these were given legal status and just having it removed.

 

You are wrong. Either FLA or GA or both started arresting illegal farm workers and the crops did not get harvested. Google it.

It is time for you level up on facts.