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Hurricanes, Floods, Wildfires, and Tornado Season Without FEMA

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by deb4rockets, Mar 18, 2025.

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  1. DonnyMost

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    Private forecasting services are perfectly fine.

    Dismantling the public forecasting service is not.
     
    #181 DonnyMost, Jul 10, 2025 at 9:43 AM
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    #182 basso, Jul 10, 2025 at 9:47 AM
  3. deb4rockets

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    This is a 2023 study...

    Observed increases in North Atlantic tropical cyclone peak intensification rates | Scientific Reports

    Quickly intensifying tropical cyclones (TCs) are exceptionally hazardous for Atlantic coastlines. An analysis of observed maximum changes in wind speed for Atlantic TCs from 1971 to 2020 indicates that TC intensification rates have already changed as anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions have warmed the planet and oceans. Mean maximum TC intensification rates are up to 28.7% greater in a modern era (2001–2020) compared to a historical era (1971–1990).

    In the modern era, it is about as likely for TCs to intensify by at least 50 kts in 24 h, and more likely for TCs to intensify by at least 20 kts within 24 h than it was for TCs to intensify by these amounts in 36 h in the historical era.

    Finally, the number of TCs that intensify from a Category 1 hurricane (or weaker) into a major hurricane within 36 h has more than doubled in the modern era relative to the historical era.

    https://share.google/jyHwQ68slMTUMJF35

    Now, let's fast forward to last year:

    Last year, there were 34 incidents of rapid intensification — when a storm gains at least 55 kph (35 mph) in 24 hours — which is about twice the average and causes problems with forecasting, according to the National Hurricane Center in Miami.

    Think about that. Why would we even think about cutting costs in NOAA and FEMA when we need the best up to date forecasting, alerts, and emergency response in these type situations?

    The peak of this hurricane season hasn't begun, but records are already been set in the Pacific.

    Erick emerged from a weak tropical disturbance south of Mexico on June 10. By June 17, it was a named tropical storm. Then came one of the most explosive intensifications on record. In just 24 hours, Erick jumped 80 knots (92 mph) in wind speed, transforming into a Category 4 hurricane with sustained winds of 145 mph (source by meteorologist Jeff Masters). According to Dr. Masters, only 15 storms in Eastern Pacific history have intensified so rapidly.

    On June 19, Erick made landfall near Pinotepa Nacional, Oaxaca as a Category 3 hurricane with 125 mph winds (NHC advisory). The storm knocked out power for thousands, triggered deadly flash floods and mudslides, and set historic records. Erick became the earliest fifth named storm in Eastern Pacific history and the earliest major hurricane to ever make landfall on either coast of Mexico. On top of that, it’s in the top 1% for storm intensities to hit Mexico.

    https://www.theclimateadaptationcen...ord‑breaking-precursor-to-a-changing-climate/
     
    #183 deb4rockets, Jul 10, 2025 at 9:59 AM
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  4. Amiga

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    We have both today.

    Project 2025 proposes that the government's role be limited to data collection, with private industry solely providing forecasting.
     
    #184 Amiga, Jul 10, 2025 at 10:10 AM
  5. deb4rockets

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    They've taken it a step further though. They don't want people to know facts. They want to remove any info referencing global warming and climate change from their government websites.

    Specific examples of removals:

    The entire climate change page on the White House website was removed.

    The climate and sustainability section of the Department of Transportation (DOT) website was removed.

    The main climate change section on the State Department website was removed.

    A climate portal on the Department of Defense (DOD) website was removed.

    The U.S. Global Change Research Program (USGCRP) website, which hosted major climate assessments, was shut down.

    References to "climate change" and related terms were removed from various other agency websites, including USDA, EPA, and DOE.
     
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  6. El_Conquistador

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    Climate change is an effort to seize the means of production and increase the tax base. Create a tax on energy -- something that every person or company uses -- because taxes on income, sales, property, investment gains, and death are not enough to fund the ideal size of government in the liberals' preferred state. That tax on energy is controlled by the government, which can dictate how much of a company's profit they take. Poof, the government now controls the means of production. The intent for the smart and manipulative Democrats is to control private industry and raise taxes. The intent for the useful idiots (rank and file Democrats) is to save the world -- but they don't realize they are being played/used and their efforts do nothing to change the climate.

    Climate change is science. Political Science. Which is why politicians launched the initiative and liberal universities (who fund scientists) rushed to support it and blackball non-supporters. Human contributions to climate change are de minimis. The climate is not something we can control.

    Once you view the issue through this lens, you'll see the dishonesty and manipulative nature of the Democrats' efforts to control society.


    GOOD DAY
     
    #186 El_Conquistador, Jul 10, 2025 at 10:39 AM
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  7. deb4rockets

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    LOL at you spewing the misinformation from those who stand to profit off fossil fuels.

    I'd listen to the 99% of scientists over guys like you and Trump any day of the week, that's for sure. Believe all the propaganda and lies you want. I'll stick with science and facts.
     
    #187 deb4rockets, Jul 10, 2025 at 11:48 AM
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  8. SamFisher

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    Yeah except this underplays it by a considerable margin

    The DOGE illegal NOAA & NASA funds theft & firings & looting has resulted in reduced data collection as well.

    This is just an example, but they just shut down a bunch of DoD weather satellite because DOGE or Whiskey Pete Hegseth or whatever.

    Meanwhile the Navy can't keep planes on deck during storms.

    https://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/messages/2025/06/MSG_20250625_1735.html
     
    #188 SamFisher, Jul 10, 2025 at 12:02 PM
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    If this all created by Biden and the Government controling the weather machine
    why are Trump and his regime using the weather machine to stop it?

    Rocket River
    Only Democrats have weather machines?
     
    #189 Rocket River, Jul 10, 2025 at 12:26 PM
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    Those who stand to profit off of fossil fuels are every person who uses gasoline, plastics, clothing, medicines, and household products. So unless you live naked in the woods and survive off the land, then that means you profit from the lower prices and quality products that fossil fuels afford us.

    Unbiased science agrees with me on the climate change issue. Not you. Liberal university-funded science, government-funded science, and European science agrees with you because all have a vested interest in increasing the tax base and bringing in more government or university-funded research grants... Europe also supports climate change as a way of penalizing the economic growth of developing countries who produce oil & gas (which isn't European countries anymore hardly).

    Be a critical thinker. Look beyond the government-created propaganda.


    GOOD DAY
     
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    Care to explain why Big Oil has conceded that climate change is real science, not political science?

    You can debate whether humans are prepared to make the changes needed to combat climate change. That is a question of feasilbility, desirability, and such. Lots and lots of room to discuss that.

    But you are a dumb ass if you take the position that climate change is not real. Don’t be a dumb ass.
     
    #191 Rileydog, Jul 10, 2025 at 2:26 PM
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  13. deb4rockets

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    Believe what you want. Meanwhile, I'm sticking to the facts of global warming, weather data and historic weather related records happening around the world, the scientific studies, the temp of oceans, and the data related to the rise of 24 hour precipitation, rapidly intensifying hurricanes, floods, etc..

    Your opinion doesn't change that.

    You can stick with Trump Social and right wing news, climate hoax believers, and other propaganda spewers and global warming denialists around the world all you like for your info.
     
    #193 deb4rockets, Jul 10, 2025 at 2:34 PM
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  14. Buck Turgidson

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    They did that, literally, 2 decades ago.
     
    #194 Buck Turgidson, Jul 10, 2025 at 3:30 PM
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    #195 basso, Jul 10, 2025 at 5:14 PM
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    This really makes you look bad dude.
     
    #196 HP3, Jul 10, 2025 at 6:27 PM
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    Well, the billion dollar weather and climate disasters won't be updated any more. I was looking something up and saw this. It's the second time this week I found a message like this looking up hurricane and storm data. This is Trump's way of controlling information and scientific studies he doesn't want you to have easy access to.

    Screenshot_20250710-185327.png
     
    #197 deb4rockets, Jul 10, 2025 at 6:56 PM
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    #198 Buck Turgidson, Jul 10, 2025 at 9:00 PM
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    (those are outdated sat that are being/have been replaced with much more sophisticated military weather sat)

    The number one 10-years risk is the unpredictable increase in frequency and intensity of extreme weather events (driven by climate change). There's a growing need for better forecasting, especially at the local level (we’re talking neighborhood-level granularity).

    If Project 2025 gets their way, taxpayers will continue footing the bill for expensive satellites and weather equipment. But that military-grade weather satellite data? It’ll be for sale (or handed out for free). The ones the government favors will have access to this extremely valuable data.

    Sometimes, it’s as simple as following the money.
     
    #199 Amiga, Jul 10, 2025 at 9:35 PM
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    Trump aides tied to firms that may benefit from privatized weather forecasts | AP News

    https://share.google/ypwKYVJ3EVuAOe9ZH
     
    #200 deb4rockets, Jul 10, 2025 at 10:15 PM
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